1 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,430 --> 00:00:41,950 explode the bazaars are or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,710 --> 00:00:44,440 into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:47,720 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:56,470 --> 00:00:52,030 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,610 --> 00:00:56,480 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 7 00:01:05,109 --> 00:01:00,620 as well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:05,119 take back the night now your 9 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:07,369 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:32,170 --> 00:01:28,970 bizarre Timothy Begley and my god this 11 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:32,180 is this is the final round up the final 12 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:42,680 round up for sports and frozen Jasper 13 00:01:47,469 --> 00:01:44,390 Indiana uh-huh 14 00:01:51,399 --> 00:01:47,479 Tim whip it good there oh yeah you know 15 00:01:54,010 --> 00:01:51,409 I know how to use that whip 50 shades of 16 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:54,020 gray takes out all new mediums here 17 00:02:02,710 --> 00:01:56,290 that's right that's right yeah 18 00:02:04,870 --> 00:02:02,720 whip it so it doesn't leave a mark oh 19 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:04,880 whoa we're having a heat wave right now 20 00:02:13,150 --> 00:02:10,070 I mean yesterday yesterday and day 21 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:13,160 before it didn't get up to like above 22 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:16,010 seven degrees now today today we had a 23 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:19,370 high of 23 so you know that's like yeah 24 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:21,769 that's livable go out and start planting 25 00:02:25,730 --> 00:02:25,390 crops what kind of crops 26 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:25,740 [Music] 27 00:02:31,690 --> 00:02:29,049 [Laughter] 28 00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:31,700 maybe we can increase our audience if we 29 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:33,950 promised the to pass out some of those 30 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:36,560 crops right there you go yeah sure here 31 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:43,670 in Indiana forget about it anyway this 32 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:47,570 is our end of the year roundup that's 33 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:51,110 right and we've got on some 34 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:54,760 they're gonna help us rope and hog-tie 35 00:03:00,910 --> 00:02:57,710 some of them critters out there whether 36 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:00,920 they be from terra firma or from 37 00:03:10,450 --> 00:03:08,090 somewhere out e ah darn giddyup giddyup 38 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:10,460 Tim tell us what we got out of it well 39 00:03:17,949 --> 00:03:13,810 we've got some old friends with us 40 00:03:21,420 --> 00:03:17,959 tonight we have a great Bishop from a 41 00:03:24,850 --> 00:03:21,430 radio mysterioso and we have a lawn 42 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:24,860 strickler of the Phantoms and monsters 43 00:03:31,870 --> 00:03:28,250 website and we're just happy to have 44 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:31,880 them back with us to join us and then 45 00:03:39,310 --> 00:03:36,110 later on in the program of Yellin greet 46 00:03:40,930 --> 00:03:39,320 field your good friend and and and now 47 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:40,940 mind that I mean you've known him a lot 48 00:03:49,140 --> 00:03:44,270 longer than you know we have known Alan 49 00:03:52,060 --> 00:03:49,150 we I have known Alan since we were both 50 00:03:55,690 --> 00:03:52,070 jeez what behind the ear I don't know we 51 00:03:57,610 --> 00:03:55,700 were we were so young I mean like you 52 00:04:01,240 --> 00:03:57,620 know I I'm really young I don't know 15 53 00:04:04,180 --> 00:04:01,250 years old or something like that and we 54 00:04:07,710 --> 00:04:04,190 used to actually meet at this time of 55 00:04:11,050 --> 00:04:07,720 the year Alan would come to New York and 56 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:11,060 we would meet with some of the other 57 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:15,980 locals including gene Steinberg in a 58 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:18,290 hotel room Allen's hotel room and we 59 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:20,870 would say to stay up and chat all night 60 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:24,430 long just like we're going to do tonight 61 00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:28,160 in fact what are we gonna do Tim how are 62 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:29,840 we going to approach this tonight I 63 00:04:39,909 --> 00:04:33,070 guess we're gonna take on some of the 64 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:39,919 topics that have provided to the our 65 00:04:46,690 --> 00:04:43,010 audience and the the world at large with 66 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:46,700 the interesting the subject that matters 67 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:49,310 as far as the paranormal goes wouldn't 68 00:04:55,390 --> 00:04:52,070 you say yeah I mean you know things said 69 00:04:59,080 --> 00:04:55,400 that all of us found found interesting 70 00:05:02,210 --> 00:04:59,090 or or boring or just more of the same 71 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:02,220 old bull Nora 72 00:05:10,530 --> 00:05:05,830 or overhyped oh yeah definitely 73 00:05:14,910 --> 00:05:10,540 overhyped overhyped 74 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:14,920 and right I don't know where should we 75 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:16,720 start the discussion do you think Tim 76 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:19,810 with the big news of the last a few 77 00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:24,880 weeks disclosure yeah yeah I suppose we 78 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:28,240 have to Bobby this is well disclosure 79 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:30,880 isn't that's that that's not really a 80 00:05:35,490 --> 00:05:33,220 correct term at least not at all do you 81 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:35,500 know I mean you know you go by like all 82 00:05:39,690 --> 00:05:38,290 these you know disclosure bozos you know 83 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:39,700 who think that the government you know 84 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:43,060 are hiding and you know hiding these 85 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:46,990 deep dark secrets out there I mean this 86 00:05:51,630 --> 00:05:49,630 is this is just more you know to me it 87 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:51,640 really is it's it's just more of the 88 00:05:57,930 --> 00:05:55,570 same I mean that this this this article 89 00:05:59,850 --> 00:05:57,940 saying that that yeah you know at one 90 00:06:03,660 --> 00:05:59,860 point the government once again you know 91 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:03,670 conducted a research on a UFO sightings 92 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:07,270 in particular you know with pilots 93 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:10,480 another military personnel but but once 94 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:12,970 again at least so far it's just you know 95 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:16,930 like a lot of smoke but ultimately no 96 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:20,080 fire well you know I I have to take a 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:22,810 little bit of posing position on this 98 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:32,010 one do that I do believe that this is a 99 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:35,350 substantial revelation now whether 100 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:42,370 whether this will hold fire and and burn 101 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:44,620 the the Amber's there even longer 102 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:47,770 remains to be seen but I just heard 103 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:52,110 Lesley Kay keen is it on the on the 104 00:06:58,620 --> 00:06:55,720 radio I guess today or yesterday and 105 00:07:01,650 --> 00:06:58,630 she's working on a second piece for the 106 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:01,660 New York Times which will contain more 107 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:04,510 information and another video and will 108 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:08,020 be released sometime after the first of 109 00:07:14,190 --> 00:07:10,750 the the year so there is another scoop 110 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:14,200 coming and I do believe that the the big 111 00:07:18,210 --> 00:07:15,000 news here 112 00:07:20,490 --> 00:07:18,220 regardless of the disclosure is the fact 113 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:20,500 that the New York Times would run a 114 00:07:25,970 --> 00:07:23,560 piece like this on the front page I mean 115 00:07:28,620 --> 00:07:25,980 of course we know that everybody's 116 00:07:32,610 --> 00:07:28,630 printed circulation is slipping I don't 117 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:32,620 know as if the times you know is going 118 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:34,510 that much downhill because they have a 119 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:39,280 large subscription base hmm 120 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:41,590 but you know everybody is kind of 121 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:44,290 fighting for a readership of these these 122 00:07:51,030 --> 00:07:47,920 days and I do understand that the the 123 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:51,040 article has been downloaded about three 124 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:54,400 million times on the Internet hmm well 125 00:08:00,540 --> 00:07:57,450 it does amaze me that the New York Times 126 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:00,550 actually ran this story because I mean 127 00:08:06,090 --> 00:08:03,610 you know from coming from you know 128 00:08:08,790 --> 00:08:06,100 inside the newsroom for for many many 129 00:08:11,070 --> 00:08:08,800 years I know that most of the time this 130 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:11,080 type of subject is treated as a joke or 131 00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:14,470 with with ignorance because most 132 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:17,670 reporters and newest assignment editors 133 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:20,050 they have no idea 134 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:22,990 you know then what's what's going on so 135 00:08:28,110 --> 00:08:24,280 I mean that's why you see so many 136 00:08:30,540 --> 00:08:28,120 stories especially on television news or 137 00:08:33,150 --> 00:08:30,550 you know it's it's regulated to after 138 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:33,160 the weather and they play the x-files 139 00:08:37,290 --> 00:08:35,680 music in the background well this time 140 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:37,300 this time seem to be a little bit 141 00:08:45,060 --> 00:08:40,450 different the the Chuckle factor was 142 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:45,070 still there to some degree but usually 143 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:47,560 now it's like a good cop bad cop if 144 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:51,300 there's a panel of you know people 145 00:08:57,030 --> 00:08:53,680 sitting around the the desk there let's 146 00:09:00,480 --> 00:08:57,040 say on ABC there's the weather guy the 147 00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:00,490 straight news guy the gal that does the 148 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:03,430 traffic at least one of them will say oh 149 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:05,230 I you know I believe or we should 150 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:07,510 investigate this and the other two will 151 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:09,340 try to say well we we don't want to 152 00:09:14,010 --> 00:09:12,370 repeat the story again you know but it 153 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:14,020 didn't get a lot of attention and a lot 154 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:16,480 of airplay and and that's good I think 155 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:19,840 for for all of us I mean well okay let's 156 00:09:27,660 --> 00:09:21,790 wait let's bring great into this 157 00:09:28,740 --> 00:09:27,670 conversation absolutely good have you 158 00:09:33,450 --> 00:09:28,750 been have you been listening 159 00:09:34,380 --> 00:09:33,460 no I mean I hear me oh yeah yes I'm good 160 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:34,390 okay 161 00:09:39,990 --> 00:09:37,330 yeah I've been listening the I've been 162 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:40,000 basically not saying anything about it 163 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:42,490 trying not to and kind of just polling 164 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:46,210 my friends and listening to them and at 165 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:49,210 this point I've got three things to say 166 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:51,850 about the that's whatever we want to 167 00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:55,330 call it I was closure or what the first 168 00:09:59,850 --> 00:09:57,550 thing is that the people that are 169 00:10:01,740 --> 00:09:59,860 involved with it are all for the most 170 00:10:05,010 --> 00:10:01,750 part Lisa spokespeople are from the CIA 171 00:10:07,860 --> 00:10:05,020 or former CIA their business is secrets 172 00:10:09,930 --> 00:10:07,870 their business is making sure that 173 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:09,940 people see things a certain way so that 174 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:12,010 you know national security concerns can 175 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:16,930 be taken care of the second thing is 176 00:10:22,770 --> 00:10:20,710 that and I said this and I'm not the 177 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:22,780 only one a lot of people said this about 178 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:26,620 this the so-called disclosure the only 179 00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:28,870 disclosure that this disclosure movement 180 00:10:32,430 --> 00:10:30,760 would believe is the one that they 181 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:32,440 already had in their minds in the first 182 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:34,000 place if they didn't hear exactly what 183 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:35,890 they wanted to hear it wouldn't they 184 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:38,080 would have a screamed cover-up and the 185 00:10:43,020 --> 00:10:40,180 third thing is that I noticed is that 186 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:43,030 every part of the story is conforming to 187 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:44,980 the myth that has been built up over the 188 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:48,010 last you know from when I say myth I 189 00:10:51,570 --> 00:10:50,050 mean the story that that ufology tells 190 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:51,580 itself whether it's true or not or 191 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:51,970 whatever 192 00:10:56,670 --> 00:10:54,250 starting with you know probably in some 193 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:56,680 time in the mid 80s really starting with 194 00:11:00,720 --> 00:10:58,150 Bill Moore kind of telling everybody 195 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:00,730 what had been going on in 1989 the 196 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:04,150 x-files in the 90s every movie that 197 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:06,060 deals with the government in UFOs 198 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:08,470 everything they've been saying conforms 199 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:12,160 to that that script and that myth and I 200 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:13,510 don't know how other people feel about 201 00:11:17,820 --> 00:11:15,460 it but when something sounds too good to 202 00:11:20,730 --> 00:11:17,830 be true it really makes me wonder so 203 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:20,740 this is why I'm kind of not saying that 204 00:11:24,210 --> 00:11:22,120 this you know it's not true or not 205 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:24,220 important I think it is important 206 00:11:28,950 --> 00:11:25,630 because it changes the conversation a 207 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:28,960 little bit but ultimately and of all 208 00:11:32,310 --> 00:11:30,730 people Grant Cameron pointed this out on 209 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:32,320 my show like four or five years ago he 210 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:34,620 said disclosures already happened mm-hm 211 00:11:38,699 --> 00:11:36,970 it's there for everybody to see if 212 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:38,709 you're really into the subject there's 213 00:11:42,510 --> 00:11:40,750 all kinds of documents and all kinds of 214 00:11:44,490 --> 00:11:42,520 little bits here and there and all kinds 215 00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:44,500 Steven Greer for all whatever you think 216 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:46,000 of him at all those people come up and 217 00:11:51,630 --> 00:11:48,850 and talk Leslie Keens book of all you 218 00:11:56,639 --> 00:11:51,640 know just to to make a really strong 219 00:11:59,250 --> 00:11:56,649 point was specifically concerned with 220 00:12:01,530 --> 00:11:59,260 this matter so like a lot of people 221 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:01,540 including you guys I think it's really 222 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:03,730 nothing new nothing really relevant or 223 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:05,470 II the main thing that could happen 224 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:08,440 which which a lot of people are asking 225 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:10,720 for is you know what about this this 226 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:12,850 alloy or metal or whatever they want to 227 00:12:16,199 --> 00:12:14,529 call it that they found are they going 228 00:12:19,340 --> 00:12:16,209 to release that so other people can look 229 00:12:21,329 --> 00:12:19,350 at it so you know some scientists or or 230 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:21,339 institution that is not part of their 231 00:12:26,430 --> 00:12:24,360 group can take a look at it you know 232 00:12:28,290 --> 00:12:26,440 there just has to be something there 233 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:28,300 besides the vaporware that's come out 234 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:31,450 for it so far so remains to be seen 235 00:12:37,710 --> 00:12:34,930 we'll see ya right now all's I have is 236 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:37,720 just you know talk of this you know 237 00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:42,190 so-called a strange metal somebody 238 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:44,800 actually raised about realize that Bob 239 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Bigelow it's got a lot of money behind 240 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:53,050 him and he's now involved in the in the 241 00:13:01,829 --> 00:12:55,510 space race and I don't think he wants to 242 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:01,839 be put in a position of being bought out 243 00:13:08,730 --> 00:13:05,649 as as somebody who deals very loosely 244 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:08,740 with the with the truth I mean I think 245 00:13:13,230 --> 00:13:11,920 if he says he has some sort of metal he 246 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:13,240 has some sort of metal 247 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:16,810 of course metals have been known to be 248 00:13:22,319 --> 00:13:20,170 floating around in the UFO field going 249 00:13:24,050 --> 00:13:22,329 back all the way to Maury island right 250 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:24,060 Greg I mean they're they're plenty 251 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:27,550 metals here and then I guess maybe one 252 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:29,440 of the better ones was the one that a 253 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:34,660 pro was involved in many years ago some 254 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:37,690 magnesium or something that fell from an 255 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:40,540 object in the sky and was that in Brazil 256 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:50,230 maybe yeah that's like that name so I 257 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:52,810 think there was some debris or something 258 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:54,970 left scraped on a rock at Socorro as 259 00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:56,320 well 260 00:14:01,139 --> 00:13:58,480 and I have actually I have on my desk 261 00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:01,149 here and I was wondering how it got I 262 00:14:08,009 --> 00:14:04,120 believe I got here I believe it was 263 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:08,019 given to me by a John keel it's a packet 264 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:12,850 of packet of something in the packet of 265 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:15,910 I guess foil I would believe that it's a 266 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:18,910 maybe this chafe that the they used to 267 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:22,560 send throw out of the planes to 268 00:14:30,499 --> 00:14:28,089 come up yeah gum up the radar right yeah 269 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:30,509 it was it was sent under the 270 00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:34,750 classification of well angel here but 271 00:14:38,579 --> 00:14:36,880 it's certainly not angel here but it you 272 00:14:39,689 --> 00:14:38,589 know it came during that period where 273 00:14:43,889 --> 00:14:39,699 there were a lot of things that were 274 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:43,899 being shoved out of UFOs and and things 275 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:46,000 had fallen from the sky we don't we 276 00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:49,060 can't certainly can't deny that now most 277 00:14:54,449 --> 00:14:50,800 of the things if they've been tested 278 00:14:57,180 --> 00:14:54,459 they've turned out to be something that 279 00:15:00,509 --> 00:14:57,190 could be manufactured here on earth but 280 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:00,519 who's to say that maybe you know if 281 00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:02,290 you're a test pilot from somewhere else 282 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:05,199 you're not using some material that you 283 00:15:09,769 --> 00:15:07,120 would also use on earth I mean it's kind 284 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:09,779 of you know how do you prove or disprove 285 00:15:16,590 --> 00:15:13,120 something really is from outer space or 286 00:15:18,809 --> 00:15:16,600 from everyone yeah there was an article 287 00:15:20,430 --> 00:15:18,819 in Scientific American I think recently 288 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:20,440 saying well that you know the fact that 289 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:23,170 whatever ice well whatever metals they 290 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:25,060 have and the ratios and the isotopes of 291 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:27,910 the metals that are in there it's not 292 00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:30,220 likely that the point of the articles is 293 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:31,839 it's not like we couldn't figure out 294 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:33,730 what it was it's it's not really a 295 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:37,240 mystery but there was an interview I 296 00:15:43,889 --> 00:15:41,769 think with pelagic will a on skeptic Oh 297 00:15:46,019 --> 00:15:43,899 a couple months ago yes where he spoke 298 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:46,029 about some material that he had seen and 299 00:15:51,540 --> 00:15:48,490 he said the the point was that the 300 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:51,550 ratios of the metals were not anything 301 00:15:54,540 --> 00:15:53,170 that could have been manufactured on the 302 00:15:56,730 --> 00:15:54,550 earth because those kind of metals if 303 00:15:59,970 --> 00:15:56,740 I'm saying is right will not alloy 304 00:16:01,740 --> 00:15:59,980 properly and that those ratios have 305 00:16:02,999 --> 00:16:01,750 never been found before and they don't 306 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:03,009 seem to make any sense and I think 307 00:16:07,259 --> 00:16:04,870 that's what I think that's what they're 308 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:07,269 kind of pushing out I'm not a 309 00:16:12,630 --> 00:16:09,610 metallurgist I'm not a chemist yeah 310 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:12,640 but my impression was that the ratios of 311 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:14,529 the metals in the way that they're the 312 00:16:19,860 --> 00:16:17,230 way that they are put together are in 313 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:19,870 ways that aren't normally are either not 314 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:21,010 normally possible or not possible 315 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:23,890 nobody's ever done it before and they 316 00:16:29,370 --> 00:16:26,769 don't know the you know the procedure 317 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:29,380 for doing it I guess the whole idea of 318 00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:33,820 getting a hold of these metal pieces is 319 00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:37,870 so that they can be back engineered yeah 320 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:40,540 that's the idea that Tom belongs to the 321 00:16:44,340 --> 00:16:43,300 Stars Academy whatever is a thing that 322 00:16:46,259 --> 00:16:44,350 they're going to do they're going to use 323 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:46,269 some of the technology and back engineer 324 00:16:52,019 --> 00:16:48,310 at it basically the Phil Corso idea 325 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:52,029 nobody's really brought that up taking 326 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:53,440 something that was from somewhere else 327 00:16:58,699 --> 00:16:56,050 back engineering and making you know in 328 00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:58,709 changing transportation or whatever 329 00:17:03,569 --> 00:17:01,120 that's one of their goals they showed 330 00:17:05,939 --> 00:17:03,579 some weird-looking vehicle that they 331 00:17:08,970 --> 00:17:05,949 proposed that's going to use anti grab 332 00:17:10,919 --> 00:17:08,980 or I don't know what to carry people 333 00:17:14,579 --> 00:17:10,929 further and faster and cheaper and all 334 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:14,589 that but they didn't specify how well 335 00:17:19,949 --> 00:17:17,049 long have you III know you're you're 336 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:19,959 more of a crypto the fellow that I you 337 00:17:25,049 --> 00:17:21,790 follow just what have you you followed 338 00:17:28,049 --> 00:17:25,059 any of this yeah you know I kind of 339 00:17:30,330 --> 00:17:28,059 believe they're being spoon-fed from the 340 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:30,340 by the government quite office with you 341 00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,200 I don't know I I didn't like haven't 342 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:37,120 really paid much attention to it other 343 00:17:44,669 --> 00:17:38,950 than what people have been sending me or 344 00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:44,679 telling me R asking me I don't know 345 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:46,630 quite frankly like you said it is 346 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,630 interesting that you know the New York 347 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:52,320 Times did put this thing out there but 348 00:17:57,299 --> 00:17:55,090 you know then again it when it comes 349 00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,309 from the government like they really 350 00:18:01,380 --> 00:17:58,960 don't have much choice they gotta report 351 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:01,390 it and you know you're talking about 352 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:04,210 this memory it's metal as memory type 353 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:07,750 metal you know you know the stories of 354 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:15,640 the nitinol years ago this controversy 355 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:19,900 that apparently that this nitinol or 356 00:18:23,070 --> 00:18:22,480 memory type metals was part of the 357 00:18:30,690 --> 00:18:23,080 Roswell 358 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:30,700 was missing somehow you think that has 359 00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:34,480 anything to do with this nobody's 360 00:18:37,980 --> 00:18:35,919 mentioned anything like that in 361 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:37,990 connection with this with this episode 362 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:40,330 not that I've heard like well yeah I 363 00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:42,610 haven't paid really close attention to 364 00:18:47,130 --> 00:18:44,590 it because like we've all been saying 365 00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:47,140 here I we I'm not really sure it's that 366 00:18:51,210 --> 00:18:50,080 important right now something may happen 367 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:51,220 in the future where there's something 368 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:52,690 that really makes a difference and the 369 00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:54,130 people to see for themselves and them 370 00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:55,870 scientists could look at and say yeah 371 00:18:59,970 --> 00:18:58,480 well this doesn't seem you know it seems 372 00:19:03,240 --> 00:18:59,980 to be what they say it is would do 373 00:19:06,919 --> 00:19:03,250 something unknown nitinol obviously yeah 374 00:19:09,659 --> 00:19:06,929 you provenance of that I think has been 375 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:09,669 established I'm not exactly sure but 376 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:14,830 it's not out of the you know the it's 377 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:16,330 not out of possibility that humans could 378 00:19:20,419 --> 00:19:18,010 have committed such a thing just like 379 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:20,429 just about anything else from the rock I 380 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:22,600 think at some point 381 00:19:27,899 --> 00:19:25,210 Ryan wood was actually trying to find 382 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:27,909 out how you know all these patents came 383 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:30,490 to be for transistors and and fiber 384 00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,049 optics and all the things they said they 385 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:34,000 came from they came from the Roswell 386 00:19:38,970 --> 00:19:35,950 room so who knows this is another 387 00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:38,980 iteration of this they're saying there's 388 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:41,500 some kind of metal alloy artifact 389 00:19:48,769 --> 00:19:44,620 something are some things groups of 390 00:19:51,299 --> 00:19:48,779 things that they are using to further 391 00:19:53,129 --> 00:19:51,309 human understanding of you know how to 392 00:19:57,779 --> 00:19:53,139 how to build things how to make things 393 00:20:00,810 --> 00:19:57,789 out of how to change our the way we use 394 00:20:03,629 --> 00:20:00,820 material I think that's the idea here 395 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:03,639 but this and I'm not exactly sure why 396 00:20:10,019 --> 00:20:07,120 they're saying that it would be nice to 397 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:10,029 have them hopefully give some of this 398 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:13,960 material to to an independent lab person 399 00:20:21,779 --> 00:20:15,730 scientists whatever take a look at it 400 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:21,789 and then but certainly if I certainly 401 00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:24,370 holding on to the bulk of the material 402 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:26,500 because we know in the past how 403 00:20:33,629 --> 00:20:29,769 supposedly evidence and metals and 404 00:20:35,159 --> 00:20:33,639 things have been switched so we don't we 405 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:35,169 certainly don't want that to happen I'm 406 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:36,970 sure that Bigelow and the 407 00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:41,490 the others involved happen yeah a 408 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:43,240 multi-millionaire is not going to have 409 00:20:47,159 --> 00:20:44,860 something disappear on it because it's 410 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:47,169 something disappears his property I 411 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,940 think he's got enough wherewithal to 412 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:51,520 figure out who took it I I wouldn't 413 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,010 believe so but material has disappeared 414 00:20:59,159 --> 00:20:55,840 that we've mentioned a couple of times 415 00:21:02,640 --> 00:20:59,169 on the on the show this fellow Alvin 416 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:02,650 Moore who actually was a friend or an 417 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:05,650 associate of Wilbur B Smith we just did 418 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:08,950 a book on project a magnet and Alvin 419 00:21:13,710 --> 00:21:11,289 Moore had supposedly a chunk of a metal 420 00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:13,720 that was shot off of one of the smaller 421 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:17,470 UFOs over the DC UFOs you know during 422 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:20,169 the 52 flap and he had put it in there 423 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:23,260 in a safe that supposedly only he had 424 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:25,809 the combination to but then when he went 425 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:27,610 in to retrieve the metal to send it to 426 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:31,570 Smith it wasn't there and to this day we 427 00:21:39,380 --> 00:21:34,169 don't know I you know it did it dissolve 428 00:21:41,159 --> 00:21:39,390 did the aliens you know scooped it up by 429 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:41,169 teleportation or did they put their 430 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:44,230 hands through the the safe and grab it 431 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:47,350 one dark evening yeah we don't know but 432 00:21:54,659 --> 00:21:50,890 it disappeared and of course a lot of 433 00:21:58,350 --> 00:21:54,669 the a lot of material has been switched 434 00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,360 and UFO footage you know has been 435 00:22:04,289 --> 00:22:01,120 returned with the parts of it that 436 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:04,299 clipped away and it doesn't who's to say 437 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:06,370 that it wouldn't happen today as well 438 00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,400 you know but like 3040 years later 439 00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,360 that's correct a mysterious seriously 440 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:17,679 mysteriously left in the mailbox I 441 00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:20,140 believe right yeah somebody called him 442 00:22:23,130 --> 00:22:22,059 and said go look in your mailbox and I 443 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:23,140 think he went out there there's nothing 444 00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:24,220 there but then he went out a little bit 445 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:26,230 later and he there was a package there 446 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:28,990 with all of his photographs from 1966 or 447 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:31,510 whatever it wasn't said Anna photographs 448 00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:33,940 that he'd spoken about and told people 449 00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:35,860 about but he hadn't seen them for you 450 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:38,380 know what 40 years yeah I guess and 451 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:40,330 copies yeah pieces of copies or 452 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:41,230 something right 453 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:44,200 yeah and ruffle and I think Robert would 454 00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:46,090 a few other people actually took these 455 00:22:49,950 --> 00:22:48,340 photographs scan them in and started 456 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:49,960 examining them and they said they held 457 00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:51,610 up under scrutiny 458 00:22:55,529 --> 00:22:53,500 according to his story that when he told 459 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:55,539 four years and that photographs weren't 460 00:23:00,779 --> 00:22:57,330 there to prove it suddenly they were I 461 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:00,789 think I think somewhere on YouTube there 462 00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:04,480 is actually a 20 minute I don't know if 463 00:23:08,399 --> 00:23:05,950 you call it a documentary or an 464 00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:08,409 interviewer something from one of the 465 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:11,350 UFO shows that talks about that a great 466 00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:13,210 detail and of course we've had an 467 00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:15,100 truffle on and and she's spoken about 468 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:17,980 this incident that's that's probably you 469 00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:20,610 know her her key case I guess that she's 470 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:24,419 you know investigated in very thoroughly 471 00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:28,840 of course but yeah we certainly do want 472 00:23:35,879 --> 00:23:33,820 to you know like see what comes next to 473 00:23:38,669 --> 00:23:35,889 me it's a it's kind of its kind of 474 00:23:40,289 --> 00:23:38,679 exciting I mean I mean the interrupts it 475 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:40,299 need to interrupt to hear Tim because we 476 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:41,950 have to go to our bottom of the hour 477 00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:43,510 break so when we come back we'll 478 00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:45,059 continue our conversation about 479 00:24:00,340 --> 00:23:57,760 now back to exploring the bazaar with 480 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:00,350 two of the most electrifying researchers 481 00:24:08,410 --> 00:24:03,350 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 482 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:08,420 effectively and tastes now all right 483 00:24:13,780 --> 00:24:09,950 welcome back to exploring the bazaar I'm 484 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:13,790 Tim Schwarz and as per our previous 485 00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:15,170 conversation before the break I just 486 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:18,260 want to add to it that you know for all 487 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:20,450 the people out there who are expecting 488 00:24:25,540 --> 00:24:21,950 all this information that's you know 489 00:24:27,940 --> 00:24:25,550 coming out and was a Tom DeLonge Zanu 490 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:27,950 Organization expecting that oh boy the 491 00:24:32,770 --> 00:24:30,050 extra-terrestrial revelation is you're 492 00:24:36,010 --> 00:24:32,780 going to be coming soon forget about it 493 00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:36,020 it's not gonna happen the UFO mystery 494 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:38,900 can't be pinned down that easily that's 495 00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:41,570 just in my opinion too simplistic 496 00:24:54,010 --> 00:24:45,980 obviously oh go ahead yeah yeah well no 497 00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,020 no I was going to introduce our yeah 498 00:24:59,800 --> 00:24:55,760 that's right used English mystery guest 499 00:25:02,110 --> 00:24:59,810 right well we've got probably got to 500 00:25:04,510 --> 00:25:02,120 yelling Greenfield on the line Alan hey 501 00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:04,520 you don't tonight where is he I want to 502 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,630 talk to him he owes us all money but 503 00:25:12,460 --> 00:25:10,880 that's okay well anyway right and Harry 504 00:25:14,590 --> 00:25:12,470 Reed owes you money but that's not 505 00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:14,600 important right now what's important is 506 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:17,960 things get done they get done with a lot 507 00:25:24,010 --> 00:25:21,290 of skimming and a lot of things but you 508 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:24,020 know if kids get milk they get the milk 509 00:25:30,850 --> 00:25:27,110 it doesn't matter as much it's a 510 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:30,860 different subject anyway when when 511 00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:33,110 somebody skims money off the top and the 512 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:34,340 kids still get their milk 513 00:25:41,170 --> 00:25:37,910 the point is officially as far as 514 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:41,180 everybody was told for the last what 20 515 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:44,330 years 30 years when Project Blue Book 516 00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:46,490 closed and the Condon committee 517 00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:51,260 concluded that contrary to its internal 518 00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,540 data that there was no reason to 519 00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:56,000 continue investigations the government 520 00:25:59,500 --> 00:25:58,310 was out of the UFO business the United 521 00:26:02,380 --> 00:25:59,510 States government anyway 522 00:26:05,770 --> 00:26:02,390 that turns out not to be true and the 523 00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:05,780 fact is that for whatever reason this 524 00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:08,750 rather small by government standards 525 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:11,270 amount of money apparently some of it 526 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:14,440 went into UFO investigations and and 527 00:26:20,130 --> 00:26:17,090 produced some very interesting results 528 00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:20,140 conclusions no I've always said that 529 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:23,870 that any of us who have been in ufology 530 00:26:29,380 --> 00:26:26,720 or connected subjects for any length of 531 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:29,390 time probably know a lot more about what 532 00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:32,960 you foes are or not then then the 533 00:26:38,290 --> 00:26:34,910 government does because it's always been 534 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:38,300 a penny-ante operation compared to most 535 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:42,890 of the Defense Department budget rightly 536 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:45,410 or wrongly all the way back to to 537 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:48,290 project sign through grudge through Blue 538 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:50,930 Book and through whatever they call this 539 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,810 but the denial is always there at the 540 00:26:59,050 --> 00:26:55,760 end of each one of these projects they 541 00:27:00,490 --> 00:26:59,060 say or we're not doing a UFO 542 00:27:02,590 --> 00:27:00,500 investigations anymore 543 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:02,600 and then a few years later they say well 544 00:27:12,670 --> 00:27:08,450 we were through 2090 but in 2000 91 we 545 00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:12,680 closed it so it's a to use Jean DuPont 546 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:15,590 haze term a long walk down an endless 547 00:27:21,490 --> 00:27:18,170 tube but that's not about you folks it's 548 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:21,500 about government but you know I can 549 00:27:26,110 --> 00:27:23,810 understand people in Nevada being upset 550 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:26,120 with Harry Reid but he's he's history 551 00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,050 now so you can deal with that or you 552 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:32,240 know perp-walk em or whatever he's 553 00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:39,410 hardly the worst crook in government is 554 00:27:57,310 --> 00:27:55,070 the move the states well you know well 555 00:28:00,520 --> 00:27:57,320 you know nothing nothing ever really 556 00:28:02,770 --> 00:28:00,530 changes because we have the same kind of 557 00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:02,780 situation here with those in the 558 00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:04,520 government who think that this 559 00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:07,820 information ought to be released on a 560 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:10,070 wide scale basis and that the public has 561 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:12,290 the right to and I use it in quotes to 562 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:13,370 know I don't know what the 563 00:28:17,770 --> 00:28:14,750 supposed to know but they're supposed to 564 00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:17,780 know and then there is another segment 565 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,220 of the government who believes that we 566 00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:24,320 should not be told because of one of the 567 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:27,590 reason now it's come out from I believe 568 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:30,950 Tom DeLonge and maybe from a Bob Bigelow 569 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:33,410 and those that involved those that are 570 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:36,710 opposed to the release of this new UFO 571 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:40,790 information are convinced that Satan and 572 00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:45,500 I say Satan is a high Satan begone Singh 573 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:50,360 Satan is behind the UFO mystery and if 574 00:28:56,980 --> 00:28:53,870 we release this information he will be 575 00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:56,990 able to take hold over the planet now 576 00:29:02,790 --> 00:28:59,450 one could say it might have happened 577 00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:02,800 already if one believes in the forces of 578 00:29:07,630 --> 00:29:04,760 evil 579 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:07,640 but that really hasn't changed because 580 00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:10,490 going back to the days of even major 581 00:29:16,570 --> 00:29:13,940 Keyhoe what was a you know what was 582 00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:16,580 going on there was a battle between the 583 00:29:20,350 --> 00:29:18,260 forces of light and the forces of 584 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:20,360 darkness to either present this 585 00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,760 information to the public or to withhold 586 00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:25,760 it for fear that the stock market might 587 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:29,150 crash or that the aliens were coming in 588 00:29:35,650 --> 00:29:33,920 to come and rape and pillage and plunder 589 00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,660 well hell they do that in the government 590 00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,760 and in Hollywood so what do we have to 591 00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:39,679 worry about the aliens they don't they 592 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:44,780 don't want competition to him but that's 593 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:47,090 not important what is important is 594 00:29:52,930 --> 00:29:49,730 there's been a breakthrough in terms of 595 00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:52,940 mainstream media yes some would call it 596 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:55,700 the fake news media but that's not what 597 00:30:01,690 --> 00:29:57,530 I call them I call them the mainstream 598 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:01,700 media has given serious attention to the 599 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:04,730 subject of UFOs in the past two weeks 600 00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:07,490 the like of which I have never seen I 601 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:10,670 mean there's always been you know the 602 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:14,150 History Channel version of reality which 603 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:16,970 is if they don't have yet another view 604 00:30:26,919 --> 00:30:21,850 of the Nazi war crimes they do some 605 00:30:29,409 --> 00:30:26,929 ancient astronaut achill nonsense and 606 00:30:29,739 --> 00:30:29,419 which I've been on all of their ancient 607 00:30:35,379 --> 00:30:29,749 ass 608 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:35,389 so have you Jim now that is the history 609 00:30:37,899 --> 00:30:35,809 chai 610 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:37,909 I think the History Channel for the most 611 00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:42,529 part does a darn good job I mean ok they 612 00:30:48,129 --> 00:30:46,159 deal with sensationalistic topics but 613 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:48,139 they do do their research I mean look at 614 00:30:53,950 --> 00:30:51,529 this the series that Tim and I are watch 615 00:30:57,159 --> 00:30:53,960 every Tuesday night the curse of Oak 616 00:31:00,700 --> 00:30:57,169 Island and then there is a Syria this 617 00:31:02,259 --> 00:31:00,710 series about Hitler's escape I mean most 618 00:31:05,229 --> 00:31:02,269 of those things are pretty darn well 619 00:31:07,659 --> 00:31:05,239 documented one almost hopes that the the 620 00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:07,669 normal media would spend that much time 621 00:31:14,499 --> 00:31:11,480 on some of perhaps if not these subjects 622 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:14,509 some other area subjects because most of 623 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:17,330 the news today is in such capsulized 624 00:31:23,739 --> 00:31:20,570 form that if you call you you have you 625 00:31:25,749 --> 00:31:23,749 have you know you have not digested 626 00:31:27,639 --> 00:31:25,759 whatever the the subject matter is I 627 00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:27,649 mean I sit there at night and and watch 628 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:30,230 the you know the six o'clock in the 6:30 629 00:31:36,099 --> 00:31:32,769 news and all the events are so 630 00:31:39,609 --> 00:31:36,109 compressed that it's it's remarkable 631 00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:39,619 that they can put 20 stories into one 632 00:31:44,529 --> 00:31:42,169 half-hour and that's the only time in a 633 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:44,539 day that you actually see 20 stories 634 00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:46,730 because most of the time if you turn to 635 00:31:52,779 --> 00:31:49,220 these other channels which have become 636 00:31:55,989 --> 00:31:52,789 overly political like CNN and Fox and 637 00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:55,999 MSNBC you get the same three or four 638 00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,220 stories over and over and over starting 639 00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,799 at five o'clock in the morning and going 640 00:32:06,099 --> 00:32:03,919 through till after midnight it's like 641 00:32:09,129 --> 00:32:06,109 there are no other stories in the whole 642 00:32:11,649 --> 00:32:09,139 world and there are a few out there and 643 00:32:15,849 --> 00:32:11,659 a few of them might involve UFOs and a 644 00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:15,859 few of them might involve cryptozoology 645 00:32:25,659 --> 00:32:22,820 right long now I guess well what what it 646 00:32:28,509 --> 00:32:25,669 was there a major story this year that 647 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:28,519 broke in the in the the media about 648 00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:32,690 either a Bigfoot or dog man or any of 649 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:36,409 the Crypt I'd know and we all know it it 650 00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:40,250 has it and unless something major 651 00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:42,700 happens like there's a body founder or 652 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:45,620 somebody seriously hurt from something 653 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:47,930 like that or there's a verified sighting 654 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:50,930 that can be actually verified well then 655 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:51,950 there's not going to be in the 656 00:33:00,130 --> 00:32:56,150 mainstream media did you get any 657 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:00,140 attention on the Mothman in Chicago did 658 00:33:07,210 --> 00:33:03,050 that make the press at all yes yeah did 659 00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:07,220 you know the Tribune did a story I 660 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:09,080 wasn't particularly happy with it 661 00:33:13,030 --> 00:33:11,090 playboy did a story which I wasn't 662 00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:13,040 particularly happy with playboy did a 663 00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,270 story yeah and man in a bikini he may as 664 00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:23,440 well because it got better attention 665 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:27,470 Colonel Eoff men the Chicago Reader with 666 00:33:31,930 --> 00:33:30,050 us is a local paper that you know they 667 00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:31,940 did several stories in there but as far 668 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:35,750 as being you know disseminated beyond 669 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:38,710 the Chicago area no I just didn't happen 670 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:41,930 then how come I know about it oh yeah 671 00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:43,340 you know about well you're on one in 672 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:49,640 Indiana yeah I'm the one I'm the one in 673 00:33:59,920 --> 00:33:57,670 leader of the German resistance movement 674 00:34:01,420 --> 00:33:59,930 well if you know me bill putting you on 675 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:01,430 the blog the blog gets a lot of 676 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:03,710 readership so it's been picked up from 677 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:06,470 the blog quite substantially but as far 678 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:09,290 as the media actually doing it and or 679 00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:13,210 you know that just didn't really happen 680 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:16,190 yeah but I mean it did get national 681 00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:19,490 publicity I where I get stories related 682 00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,159 to cryptozoological concerns and UFOs 683 00:34:31,869 --> 00:34:28,639 and the ghosts and all of that is just 684 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:31,879 by reading the mainstream press from 685 00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,730 across the world and extracting from 686 00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:37,280 that what's what appears everyday a 687 00:34:42,970 --> 00:34:40,879 couple of years ago I got tired of 688 00:34:46,110 --> 00:34:42,980 hearing where did the UFOs go so I 689 00:34:48,940 --> 00:34:46,120 started running an average of one or two 690 00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:48,950 cases a day this year it's been more 691 00:34:53,530 --> 00:34:52,429 like Oh dozens of cases a day more than 692 00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:53,540 I can't really cope 693 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:56,030 and that's all from mainstream media I 694 00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:58,130 mean if you count as mainstream media 695 00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:01,430 hometown newspapers all the way up to 696 00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:03,710 USA Today the New York Times The 697 00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:04,820 Washington Post 698 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:07,100 all of which publicize this and by the 699 00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:11,450 way Kim CNN did several serious stories 700 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:16,280 on this supposed government agency the 701 00:35:23,140 --> 00:35:19,690 point is they they all showed CNN MSNBC 702 00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:23,150 even Fox I realize that yeah yeah and 703 00:35:27,850 --> 00:35:25,400 that that's a breakthrough because 704 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:27,860 usually if it's something about that 705 00:35:33,010 --> 00:35:30,290 they do a little haha story and then 706 00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:33,020 they move on that was one haha story I 707 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:35,900 think it was the guy that does their New 708 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:39,220 Year's Eve thing the Vanderbilt guy who 709 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:43,910 helped me here but people is Cooper 710 00:35:58,450 --> 00:35:55,690 also too if you noted that directly 711 00:36:00,910 --> 00:35:58,460 after the so-called disclosure piece 712 00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:00,920 they were showing a meteorites falling 713 00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:03,380 from the sky and the missile taking they 714 00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,470 were continuing on with the story even 715 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:08,480 though there were rational explanations 716 00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:11,930 for the next couple of items you know 717 00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:13,790 they didn't have to show the meteorites 718 00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:17,150 coming down in the rocket going up with 719 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:19,400 the 10 satellites although that would 720 00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:21,410 that was rather dramatic I would say I 721 00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:23,300 mean that that was a that was a good 722 00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:25,550 call everybody was seeing that out there 723 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:27,950 in LA did you witness that by any chance 724 00:36:33,850 --> 00:36:31,310 Greg you know what's funny I am on a 725 00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:33,860 list that tells you when Rockets are 726 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:36,800 going up yes Edinburgh and I knew what 727 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:39,110 was going up and I completely spaced on 728 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:41,330 it to to coin a phrase and just sat in 729 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:42,650 the house talking to somebody on the 730 00:36:46,810 --> 00:36:45,110 phone while this was going on I have 731 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:46,820 seen launches like that before 732 00:36:51,730 --> 00:36:49,310 the weird thing to me is every time one 733 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:51,740 of those Rockets go up people say what 734 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:53,810 was this thing oh my god and then I 735 00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:55,850 point them to online I see look your 736 00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:57,350 videos yeah 737 00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,970 pictures of rockets going up for the 738 00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,280 last 30 or 40 years yeah if you don't 739 00:37:05,770 --> 00:37:03,200 recognize them if you don't recognize a 740 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:05,780 good rocket you're you're really out of 741 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:07,450 the loop I would say you know 742 00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:11,280 well when there's a it's very dramatic 743 00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:14,500 at Twilight and the Sun hits it just 744 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:16,180 right it looks like it did this time oh 745 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:18,670 yeah hey so so Greg I know you got a 746 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:20,710 take off in a little while there on your 747 00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:21,609 own rocket ship 748 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:24,660 what outside of the so called disclosure 749 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:28,390 item and the times anything else kind of 750 00:37:38,099 --> 00:37:34,089 hit you during the 2017 uh not really 751 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:38,109 except for the fact that I think amongst 752 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:39,700 a lot of people that are into the 753 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:41,470 subject of UFO subject there are a 754 00:37:46,859 --> 00:37:44,650 little less credulous and a little more 755 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:46,869 skeptical now which i think is a good 756 00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,750 thing as a result probably partially of 757 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:52,240 one the roswell slides thing which was 758 00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,510 debunked in like about a day and the 759 00:38:00,329 --> 00:37:57,760 chilean UFO video thing which was 760 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:00,339 debunked in less than a day and i was 761 00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:03,250 kind of in the middle of examining both 762 00:38:09,210 --> 00:38:05,140 of those one of i was in that group that 763 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:09,220 did the the the roswell mummy although i 764 00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,569 did nothing because i didn't think it 765 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,440 was very important and probably it was 766 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:16,720 it what i saw was that people realize 767 00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:18,700 that hey maybe we should look at the 768 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:20,200 background of some of these claims 769 00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:23,380 before we start crowing about how how 770 00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:25,000 important it is and i think that's a 771 00:38:30,329 --> 00:38:27,160 really good step i think that you know 772 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:30,339 some measured true skepticism it's 773 00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:31,990 called for not the fundamentalist kind 774 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:35,020 that we're all used to well yeah the 775 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:37,690 same thing with the what was it the 776 00:38:45,329 --> 00:38:42,220 Mayan or Incan alien mummies that Gaia 777 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:45,339 was promoting so heavily but without 778 00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,170 releasing any the background information 779 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:49,359 on you know where they came from or 780 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:51,640 anything like that so I mean that's 781 00:38:56,339 --> 00:38:54,190 that's another good example it's just 782 00:39:00,270 --> 00:38:56,349 you take a good look at him it was like 783 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:00,280 the so-called Roswell body slides you 784 00:39:04,770 --> 00:39:02,170 know they they wouldn't release a good 785 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:04,780 clear photo till naturally enough till 786 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:06,730 their big was a five hundred dollar 787 00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:12,250 ticket event now what do we think about 788 00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:17,980 the the Navy's this video of this 789 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:21,220 tic-tac a typed object that's been a can 790 00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:24,609 that with the with the the story you 791 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:31,780 know you've always had the UFO films 792 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:35,050 that have cause I guess a a stir in the 793 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:37,510 field if you remember the movie that was 794 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,170 released in 1956 just called UFO they 795 00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:44,320 had the to the Montana film and was the 796 00:39:53,609 --> 00:39:49,240 other one Tim from Miami Utah Utah Utah 797 00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:53,619 one was demon one was the the minor 798 00:40:00,540 --> 00:39:58,570 league baseball the play or capture and 799 00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:00,550 and that course this they're of course 800 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:05,190 now that wasn't anything remotely as 801 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:15,720 the gun can release I mean they were I 802 00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:18,910 think identified at the time as seagulls 803 00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:20,380 or something like that which they 804 00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:23,020 probably weren't but it did cause a 805 00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:26,230 quite a it did cause a stir and people 806 00:40:32,579 --> 00:40:29,470 like to see photographs and movies I 807 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:32,589 guess they kind of validate the the 808 00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:35,530 subject matter and this one more than 809 00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:38,470 anything else certainly seems to show an 810 00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:43,869 object whose both description and it's a 811 00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:46,540 movement is certainly certainly 812 00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:49,150 different than anything that we have 813 00:40:57,089 --> 00:40:51,820 been responsible for manufacturing as 814 00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:57,099 far as we know yeah the there's two 815 00:41:01,230 --> 00:40:59,140 different videos there's both I guess 816 00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:01,240 gun camera footage one is of an object 817 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,070 kind of traveling across the sky and one 818 00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:05,440 is that tic tac think or a lozenge or 819 00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,470 whatever you want to call it the you 820 00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:10,480 know my take on this is how many 821 00:41:14,849 --> 00:41:12,760 thousands and thousands and thousands of 822 00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,859 films and pictures of UFOs do we need 823 00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:16,720 before we realize that there are 824 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:18,760 pictures of things in the sky that we 825 00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:19,720 can't explain 826 00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:22,270 the point of the releasing these things 827 00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:24,280 with the with the announcement was as 828 00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:26,680 you know support and window dressing for 829 00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,380 their main message they could add that 830 00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:31,839 the one of those films videos and the 831 00:41:35,099 --> 00:41:33,630 description of it has been around 832 00:41:37,229 --> 00:41:35,109 researchers have known 833 00:41:38,969 --> 00:41:37,239 for the past few years so it wasn't like 834 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:38,979 this thing that it's just suddenly been 835 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:41,410 released it's just that the contact said 836 00:41:46,259 --> 00:41:44,650 what was the point so we don't think 837 00:41:47,789 --> 00:41:46,269 people need to be proven to them that 838 00:41:49,979 --> 00:41:47,799 there's weird things that are show up in 839 00:41:51,269 --> 00:41:49,989 the sky occasionally but the context of 840 00:41:52,799 --> 00:41:51,279 how its dealt with and what we've all 841 00:41:55,049 --> 00:41:52,809 been talking with here with the media 842 00:41:58,559 --> 00:41:55,059 how it treats it that that's the big 843 00:42:00,440 --> 00:41:58,569 change I don't know dad partners good 844 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:00,450 you know yeah 845 00:42:05,999 --> 00:42:02,650 all right parts of it are good you know 846 00:42:07,949 --> 00:42:06,009 nice to have people with credentials and 847 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:07,959 with with some you know with some a 848 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:10,390 little bit of outside of the field 849 00:42:15,059 --> 00:42:12,670 looking at it namely journalists but 850 00:42:16,769 --> 00:42:15,069 maybe you can pull other people and that 851 00:42:18,329 --> 00:42:16,779 don't haven't taken that subject so 852 00:42:19,799 --> 00:42:18,339 seriously in the past and that's a good 853 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:19,809 thing no matter what you think of the 854 00:42:23,579 --> 00:42:21,430 message that's coming out of so long and 855 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:23,589 his group and the CIA people he's with 856 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,190 the fact that as I think Hynek said 857 00:42:33,299 --> 00:42:29,200 serious people are taking it seriously a 858 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:33,309 little bit more is a good thing yeah 859 00:42:40,759 --> 00:42:35,529 that's that's the big story of the year 860 00:42:46,170 --> 00:42:40,769 I think along with the unpronounceable 861 00:42:53,459 --> 00:42:46,180 extra Gullah extra solar system object 862 00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:53,469 oh boy yeah it's very well pronounced 863 00:43:03,120 --> 00:42:58,930 Aloha look through a telescope and they 864 00:43:06,269 --> 00:43:03,130 said I am amor which roughly translated 865 00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:06,279 from BIA - means oh my god I think that 866 00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:08,339 thinks from outside the solar system 867 00:43:17,549 --> 00:43:11,499 well maybe so but I think that may 868 00:43:23,939 --> 00:43:17,559 ultimately be the big story of 2018 well 869 00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:23,949 where were where is it now it's past the 870 00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:26,140 Sun and now it's headed 871 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,420 you know it's an immense solar system 872 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:30,400 it's headed back in the direction of 873 00:43:33,689 --> 00:43:31,930 going out of the solar system but 874 00:43:36,539 --> 00:43:33,699 they're seriously talking about in the 875 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:36,549 next couple of years there's plenty of 876 00:43:43,410 --> 00:43:40,630 time getting a spacecraft together that 877 00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,420 can actually catch up with it and that 878 00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:45,780 is something that 879 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:48,750 if there is anything more to it it does 880 00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:54,650 is a cigar shaped object out there yeah 881 00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:58,500 if they get to it and it's just a rock 882 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:02,099 from another solar system that's very 883 00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:04,170 interesting in and of itself if it's 884 00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:06,420 something else and I think most of you 885 00:44:15,010 --> 00:44:08,609 know that I'm certainly not a proponent 886 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:15,020 of the ETH words refers to UFOs or 887 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:18,330 related phenomena but I that doesn't 888 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:19,800 mean that I don't think the rest of the 889 00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:22,920 universe does not have any inhabited 890 00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:25,380 planets and that's the sort of thing 891 00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:27,840 that one would expect not flying saucers 892 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:31,200 always seen near the earth but something 893 00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:35,609 like that a craft that has gone so far 894 00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:38,580 and been sent for such a long distance 895 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:42,560 that that it looks kind of like a 896 00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:45,930 natural object only it's that's that's 897 00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:47,099 the only kind of thing that would 898 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:50,880 survive the long journey between stars 899 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:53,970 so it may be something of that sort 900 00:44:59,900 --> 00:44:58,050 certainly the the SETI community for 901 00:45:02,750 --> 00:44:59,910 lack of a better term is taking it 902 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:02,760 seriously enough to be curious in that 903 00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:06,450 direction so if they do catch up with it 904 00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,510 life out there or even intelligent life 905 00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:16,800 out there that will eclipse everything 906 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:18,660 else unfortunately that's not going to 907 00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:20,970 solve the UFO mystery and now back to 908 00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:24,660 the the general public that's or well 909 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:27,420 you know now the one of the there's two 910 00:45:32,359 --> 00:45:30,050 more releases supposedly that the time 911 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:32,369 articles at The Times is working on 912 00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:35,609 right one will be released after a new 913 00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,180 year sometime and I understand that part 914 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:42,000 of the diss disclosure I keep using that 915 00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:44,040 word but for lack of a better term you 916 00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:45,480 that word okay 917 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:49,619 a small D not a capital D however part 918 00:45:58,070 --> 00:45:53,930 of the disclosure will be discussions of 919 00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:58,080 portals vortexes you look at energy 920 00:46:04,310 --> 00:45:59,640 vortexes 921 00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:04,320 and places where it is possible to see 922 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:08,220 more UFOs than in other spots kind of 923 00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:10,050 like I guess the skinwalker ranch 924 00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:13,230 because mr. Bigelow only skinwalker 925 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:16,520 ranch and had a team of scientists there 926 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:20,370 investigating the very strange phenomena 927 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:22,470 which may or may not have been related 928 00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:24,510 to UFOs but then again it's all related 929 00:46:30,830 --> 00:46:26,820 to UFOs as far as I'm concerned I think 930 00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:30,840 it's it's all it's all the same ball of 931 00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:34,320 wax and we've just we just have to melt 932 00:46:42,610 --> 00:46:39,060 it down I would I would say and you know 933 00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:42,620 maybe maybe someday that will happen but 934 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:46,800 who knows anyway a Greg anything to tell 935 00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:50,850 our listeners I'm sure as some of them 936 00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:52,470 are not familiar with your show where 937 00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:55,260 can they hear it and what are you 938 00:47:01,610 --> 00:46:58,740 working on the show's called radio 939 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:01,620 Mysterio so you can find it right here 940 00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,450 Mysterio so calm that's M is te RI Oso 941 00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:08,280 I just recently had an interview with 942 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:10,860 somebody who is working on a completely 943 00:47:16,820 --> 00:47:14,370 different angle on exactly what the Tom 944 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,830 DeLonge people are and if you go listen 945 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:19,440 to that I think you'd be very interested 946 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:21,810 in what she had to say you have you have 947 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:25,650 you have you have some very good people 948 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:27,510 on there I mean very interesting it's 949 00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:30,210 kind of a an informal get-together we 950 00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:32,220 can always hear the ambulance go by 951 00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,420 outside yes it's very informal and I'm 952 00:47:40,850 --> 00:47:38,760 working on a book with Adam go rightly 953 00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:40,860 on the contactee movement oh yeah is for 954 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:42,990 a damn ski and that'll be out in the 955 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:45,540 next month or two wonderful and happy 956 00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:47,850 New Year to you and thanks for joining 957 00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,000 us in this end of year round up giddy up 958 00:47:59,170 --> 00:47:54,000 New Year Greg your greatest thank you 959 00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:03,560 [Music] 960 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:07,860 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 961 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:10,530 ride into the world of the paranormal 962 00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:13,810 strap yourself in as we traverse the 963 00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:18,120 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 964 00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:21,240 ghosts Lost Worlds 965 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:23,620 cryptozoology as well as other 966 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:27,490 dimensions it's time to take back the 967 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:32,620 night now your electrifying hosts of 968 00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:35,710 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 969 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:42,070 team sports alright welcome back to more 970 00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:44,530 exploring the bizarre and we have with 971 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:46,750 us tonight reg bishop unfortunately had 972 00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:49,690 to leave us but we still have the 973 00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:52,630 incredible law instructor and of course 974 00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:02,250 where the word the words just flow off 975 00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:11,080 your tongue Tim you know it makes me 976 00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,790 always think of a lion which I can't say 977 00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:15,280 it unfortunately from a Blazing Saddles 978 00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:17,710 you know or it says oh my gosh you use 979 00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:19,540 your tongue prettier then and then I 980 00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:24,430 can't say okay I'm sorry Tim go ahead 981 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:27,340 say anything on the show because we're 982 00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,370 broadcasting live courtesy no no no this 983 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:39,040 is the internet remember we can say 984 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:41,050 pretty much what we want because we're 985 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:42,970 broadcasting live through the courtesy 986 00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:46,830 of Casey o our radio out of Las Vegas 987 00:49:57,740 --> 00:49:51,280 which is Sin City so isn't this where we 988 00:50:01,950 --> 00:49:57,750 belong we are not subject to FCC rules 989 00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:01,960 we are we are we are we come under we 990 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:08,620 are subject to D G B rules well well I 991 00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:12,010 don't I don't want to go blue this early 992 00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:14,350 in the evening Tim so just okay well 993 00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:17,260 that'll be that'll be the extra part 994 00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,390 the show that we charge for like some of 995 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:22,720 our other competitors that's right for 996 00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:25,810 $25 the week you can listen to explore 997 00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,180 the Bazaar after dark hey I've got a 998 00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,280 treat I've got something I decided to 999 00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:36,000 put together for the new year 1000 00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:39,430 mysterious sounds from all over the 1001 00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:42,040 planet and we're going to thanks to Tina 1002 00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:46,000 our producer and station manager we are 1003 00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:49,150 we are going to play some of these 1004 00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:52,600 sounds and only I know what they 1005 00:50:58,620 --> 00:50:54,910 represent or supposedly represent and 1006 00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:58,630 we're going to ask the gentlemen on our 1007 00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:01,500 panel this evening to give us their 1008 00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:04,420 impressions whether they be scientific 1009 00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:08,260 or psychic or just plucked out of thin 1010 00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:13,780 air so this is my 14 a treat of the year 1011 00:51:36,690 --> 00:51:17,470 so at ena there in the control room why 1012 00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:39,789 Wow that's the heater in my old 1013 00:51:46,930 --> 00:51:43,640 apartment because is that is that is 1014 00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,940 that your final that's my final opinion 1015 00:51:51,370 --> 00:51:49,280 I it sounded so familiar I don't know 1016 00:51:54,359 --> 00:51:51,380 how you got it but I'm impressed 1017 00:51:58,539 --> 00:51:54,369 there you go and lon what would you say 1018 00:52:01,089 --> 00:51:58,549 it sounds aerodynamic so but I'm gonna 1019 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:01,099 say it's a natural saying a natural 1020 00:52:08,770 --> 00:52:05,210 sound caused by mmm 1021 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:08,780 hard to say I'm I really don't know all 1022 00:52:14,049 --> 00:52:09,470 right 1023 00:52:16,210 --> 00:52:14,059 well Tim well to me it sounds like and 1024 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:16,220 of course all these sounds something to 1025 00:52:19,089 --> 00:52:17,089 me it's not like something from a 1026 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:19,099 science fiction movie so you know it I 1027 00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:21,970 would say it was lifted from you know 1028 00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:25,280 Star Trek something like that no this is 1029 00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:29,660 the famous towers huh really which has 1030 00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:35,140 been recorded in Taos New Mexico in 1031 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:37,640 Auckland which I believe is in New 1032 00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:42,650 Zealand and in Windsor you Kay 1033 00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:45,020 some people liken it to the sound of an 1034 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:47,569 underground and diesel and it's been 1035 00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:50,089 repeated over and over for several years 1036 00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:53,569 but people hear it differently some 1037 00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:55,670 people say it's just a hum other people 1038 00:53:00,789 --> 00:52:58,730 say it's nerve-racking and I understand 1039 00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,799 that at least three individuals are said 1040 00:53:07,569 --> 00:53:03,440 to have committed suicide because the 1041 00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:07,579 sound drove of them crazy mmm 1042 00:53:13,329 --> 00:53:09,220 that's it that's probably the most 1043 00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:13,339 famous 14 sound I would I would say 1044 00:53:18,970 --> 00:53:16,670 right I mean that's been on talk about 1045 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:18,980 news media it's been on Inside Edition 1046 00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,490 and some of the other TV shows so 1047 00:53:30,010 --> 00:53:26,720 everybody I think is heard of the Taos 1048 00:53:34,539 --> 00:53:30,020 hum now here in my neighborhood I 1049 00:53:36,819 --> 00:53:34,549 sometimes hear a very loud I don't know 1050 00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:36,829 if I would describe it as a hum but it 1051 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:40,190 almost rattles the the building and on 1052 00:53:44,529 --> 00:53:42,410 certain nights I have even gone out in 1053 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:44,539 the neighborhood now I'm in the midst of 1054 00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:47,210 all these skyscrapers and also it does 1055 00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:49,640 sometimes create a tunnel of sound 1056 00:53:56,489 --> 00:53:51,880 I've actually wandered out at night 1057 00:54:00,130 --> 00:53:56,499 trying to locate the source of these 1058 00:54:03,609 --> 00:54:00,140 sounds and and I realize that sounds in 1059 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:03,619 this I call it the concrete Canyon 1060 00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:07,609 actually can travel for many blocks I've 1061 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:09,380 realized that the hammer the hammering 1062 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:11,450 coming from the building three blocks 1063 00:54:15,370 --> 00:54:13,249 away can be heard it can be heard in my 1064 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:15,380 apartment on certain occasions usually 1065 00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:22,249 when there is a a low cloud cover almost 1066 00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:25,700 like a temperature inversion it seems to 1067 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:27,710 keep the sound down but that was the 1068 00:54:34,809 --> 00:54:32,170 Taos hum and it's been there heard by 1069 00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:34,819 numerous people that's probably the most 1070 00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:55,260 [Music] 1071 00:55:02,260 --> 00:54:59,650 whoa whoo oh my gosh right I don't 1072 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:02,270 leaden yeah I don't think Alan that's 1073 00:55:08,340 --> 00:55:05,570 your radiator no no I didn't see my 1074 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:08,350 radiator I said my heater and I said 1075 00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:10,490 okay really wrong 1076 00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:14,300 yeah go but how about this one oh this 1077 00:55:20,110 --> 00:55:17,960 one is clearly a recording of Jimi 1078 00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:20,120 Hendrix at the second Atlanta Pop 1079 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:23,000 Festival doing feedback from those 1080 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:26,810 really huge speakers that I absconded 1081 00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:29,210 with but that's no story you know I you 1082 00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:30,920 know I think we don't have to go any 1083 00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:32,150 further on this because you're 1084 00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,150 absolutely wrong it's actually it's 1085 00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:37,760 actually the shriek of Forest Grove 1086 00:55:44,110 --> 00:55:41,270 Oregon what some people have said as 1087 00:55:46,330 --> 00:55:44,120 soon as caused by pressurized gas or air 1088 00:55:49,810 --> 00:55:46,340 where it's coming from I have no idea 1089 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:49,820 but it's heard over a wide area some 1090 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:52,970 have taken it for a military operation 1091 00:55:59,010 --> 00:55:56,030 and some say it's actually the sound of 1092 00:56:03,010 --> 00:56:00,190 mm-hmm 1093 00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:03,020 sounds somes more like the chain-link 1094 00:56:09,820 --> 00:56:05,750 fence gates that we used to hang on when 1095 00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:09,830 I was a kid boy oh boy that that's a you 1096 00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:12,740 might my ears are rattling from from 1097 00:56:21,610 --> 00:56:19,060 that one okay down to number 13 Tina 1098 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:21,620 just came outside heard this loud boom 1099 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:23,570 in a house and the tornado sirens 1100 00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:25,569 started going off 1101 00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:27,910 dunno what's going on 1102 00:56:41,820 --> 00:56:33,180 Wow 1103 00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:41,830 that was loud wow that was a lot any any 1104 00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:45,070 call on that one you know it sounds 1105 00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:47,350 familiar to that sound that occurred 1106 00:56:53,790 --> 00:56:50,620 down in Florida in this neighborhood and 1107 00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:53,800 people were certain actually thinking it 1108 00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:56,200 was a UFO or landing of some type I 1109 00:57:01,050 --> 00:56:57,910 don't know if that's it but that's what 1110 00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:01,060 it reminds me of well this wasn't a go 1111 00:57:08,060 --> 00:57:03,790 ahead Tim any ideas well I was going to 1112 00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:08,070 say it to me it sounds like a sonic boom 1113 00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:10,750 you know when I grew up we live near 1114 00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:12,700 Grissom Air Force Base and at that time 1115 00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,110 they still allowed sonic booms over a 1116 00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:18,400 residential areas and I mean we heard 1117 00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:20,020 those quite a bit but that's what it 1118 00:57:26,910 --> 00:57:22,390 sounds like to me well this is actually 1119 00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:26,920 the Wichita Oklahoma boom hmm it's been 1120 00:57:32,070 --> 00:57:28,900 heard on a number of occasions it shakes 1121 00:57:34,830 --> 00:57:32,080 houses rattles windows is heard over a 1122 00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:34,840 wide area and some have likened it to 1123 00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,760 military operations or an earthquake but 1124 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:41,920 there's nothing has been picked up on 1125 00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:44,130 the Richter scale and the military 1126 00:57:50,310 --> 00:57:46,660 denies that it has anything to do with 1127 00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:50,320 any of their operations in the area so 1128 00:57:57,930 --> 00:57:55,630 that's the Wichita Oklahoma boom and it 1129 00:58:04,100 --> 00:57:57,940 sounds like remember the ads for the old 1130 00:58:07,590 --> 00:58:04,110 Quaker Oats the the cereal Oh with the 1131 00:58:12,450 --> 00:58:07,600 cannons yeah yeah I think it's the old 1132 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:12,460 Quaker Oats guy coming back to - don't 1133 00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:14,770 want us was it my Croats or like the 1134 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:18,280 their puffed rice of rice cereal puffed 1135 00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:21,130 rice yes okay but anyway that's that's 1136 00:58:28,170 --> 00:58:24,910 that's one big boom and I guess the 1137 00:58:31,530 --> 00:58:28,180 people in Wichita have to plug their 1138 00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:31,540 ears from time to time anyway this one 1139 00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:34,420 maybe you'll have a little bit more luck 1140 00:58:42,809 --> 00:58:38,799 number 12 Tina take it away 1141 00:59:10,630 --> 00:58:42,819 Oh Juliet if any nine traffic without 1142 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:16,000 [Music] 1143 00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:19,510 not an aircraft 1144 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:46,850 oh okay well this this is part of a very 1145 00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:51,930 well known UFO case Alan would you 1146 00:59:57,110 --> 00:59:55,200 recognize it that the specific case but 1147 01:00:01,120 --> 00:59:57,120 it was an air-to-ground transmission 1148 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:01,130 from a propeller-driven small aircraft 1149 01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:04,530 that no longer was seen to have 1150 01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:08,750 disappeared any idea attempt alone I 1151 01:00:14,540 --> 01:00:11,700 don't know it's what specific sighting 1152 01:00:19,220 --> 01:00:14,550 it was I mean the guy sound like he was 1153 01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,230 Australian yes now you're close Tim oh 1154 01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:21,960 yeah yeah well it's and I can't I can 1155 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:23,940 never pronounce of the pilots last name 1156 01:00:33,970 --> 01:00:29,850 but that's the New Zealand right yeah 1157 01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:33,980 yeah and somewhere a missile that 1158 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:37,430 rattling a sound is the sound of 1159 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:40,290 apparently a metallic sound of the 1160 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:44,970 object that was chasing him 1161 01:00:49,070 --> 01:00:47,610 scraping up against his airplane and of 1162 01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:49,080 course he disappeared 1163 01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:52,230 nobody yeah yeah vanished without a 1164 01:00:56,450 --> 01:00:53,640 trace I mean they've been looking for 1165 01:01:02,510 --> 01:00:56,460 the plane in the body for how many years 1166 01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,520 that was in the 1970s oh yeah yeah still 1167 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:05,280 never found him yeah he was coming 1168 01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:07,530 toward the mainland and south of 1169 01:01:13,790 --> 01:01:12,060 Australia alright well we'll play one 1170 01:01:17,660 --> 01:01:13,800 more for the time being and then we'll 1171 01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:17,670 carry on our mania it was in Tasmania 1172 01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:21,300 yeah and I think there were other of 1173 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:22,590 course there's always been a lot of UFO 1174 01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:26,250 sightings in that part of the the world 1175 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:30,510 and in in fact there's a the only 1176 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:33,090 magazine published in English on UFOs 1177 01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:35,370 any longer as far as I know that 1178 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:39,870 including 14 times is the ufologist 1179 01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:42,090 which is an Australian magazine that 1180 01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:44,670 prints my articles every every issue and 1181 01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:47,670 is sold in Australia on the newsstand so 1182 01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:49,950 it would be the only newsstand magazine 1183 01:01:54,620 --> 01:01:52,710 in English published anywhere in the 1184 01:01:57,859 --> 01:01:54,630 world as a fairly decent mag 1185 01:02:06,930 --> 01:01:57,869 fairly decent anyway we will go on to 1186 01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:39,319 [Music] 1187 01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:42,779 that's the weirdest to me III think that 1188 01:02:50,579 --> 01:02:48,369 that that that says right up my spine I 1189 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:50,589 mean I that that sends chills up my 1190 01:02:56,279 --> 01:02:54,130 spine I just I want to say freak out 1191 01:02:58,890 --> 01:02:56,289 because I've been listening to these 1192 01:02:59,609 --> 01:02:58,900 sounds on and off for years but that at 1193 01:03:02,839 --> 01:02:59,619 that one 1194 01:03:08,249 --> 01:03:02,849 I I think it's is legit by all means 1195 01:03:12,089 --> 01:03:08,259 attempt yeah it's a yeah let let let 1196 01:03:16,229 --> 01:03:12,099 Alan okay yeah I think it it sounds like 1197 01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:16,239 an electronic voice phenomenon recording 1198 01:03:21,809 --> 01:03:19,089 a much clearer one than any good I've 1199 01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:21,819 heard yes well actually now this is a 1200 01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:25,359 timid Earl on any any guesses on this it 1201 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:27,369 sounds like it was a radio show that got 1202 01:03:32,729 --> 01:03:29,650 interrupted by some type of transmission 1203 01:03:36,919 --> 01:03:32,739 yeah now you you you've got you've got 1204 01:03:41,009 --> 01:03:36,929 pretty well pinned down here this was 1205 01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:41,019 well no this one actually took place in 1206 01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:46,049 in the United States around in 1985 oh 1207 01:03:49,919 --> 01:03:47,380 yeah yeah 1208 01:03:52,289 --> 01:03:49,929 starts off playing a classical music and 1209 01:03:55,409 --> 01:03:52,299 then turns to some shrieks and someone 1210 01:03:59,309 --> 01:03:55,419 reading a list of names now they've 1211 01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,319 tried to catch the you know the the some 1212 01:04:04,380 --> 01:04:01,839 of the names and somebody suggested that 1213 01:04:08,429 --> 01:04:04,390 it was the passengers from the sinking 1214 01:04:10,949 --> 01:04:08,439 of the Titanic well III don't know how 1215 01:04:13,890 --> 01:04:10,959 you could follow up Robert Oppenheimer's 1216 01:04:17,399 --> 01:04:13,900 name mentioned oh you did okay well 1217 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:17,409 there's no I don't think he was on the 1218 01:04:30,509 --> 01:04:24,130 Titanic no I don't know but he was young 1219 01:04:32,770 --> 01:04:30,519 and a very good swimmer and I bet he and 1220 01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:32,780 he knew how to play classical music it 1221 01:04:37,090 --> 01:04:35,390 rique I was saying I was thinking that 1222 01:04:40,450 --> 01:04:37,100 was the one that was recorded you know 1223 01:04:43,090 --> 01:04:40,460 when the radio station in England was or 1224 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:43,100 was that a television you mean the 1225 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:46,490 ashtar yes man yeah that's what I came 1226 01:04:52,750 --> 01:04:50,330 through this one something somebody 1227 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:52,760 tried to pin it down as a broadcast 1228 01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,690 coming from some college radio station 1229 01:05:01,180 --> 01:04:58,640 in in New York but nobody could ever 1230 01:05:04,750 --> 01:05:01,190 really prove it it was pretty close to 1231 01:05:06,610 --> 01:05:04,760 where the College Station would be on 1232 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:06,620 the dial but you know most of these 1233 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:09,410 college stations are only heard in the 1234 01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,250 dormitory and maybe a radius of a block 1235 01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:15,200 or a half a mile or something like that 1236 01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:18,080 with the exception of W F mu which is no 1237 01:05:23,620 --> 01:05:19,880 longer College associated with the 1238 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:23,630 college but be that as it may anyway 1239 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:28,130 that's our first batch of 14 the sounds 1240 01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:31,730 for better or worse and let us get back 1241 01:05:37,420 --> 01:05:34,670 to the conversation of the evening 1242 01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:37,430 perhaps an owl on it is time for us to 1243 01:05:46,990 --> 01:05:42,700 talk about cryptids and Mothman in 1244 01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:47,000 Chicago well yeah I don't particularly 1245 01:05:51,610 --> 01:05:49,280 want like to call it the Mothman in the 1246 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:51,620 Chicago I I don't even think it has 1247 01:05:58,750 --> 01:05:56,050 really that much that's you know 1248 01:06:00,880 --> 01:05:58,760 relationship to what was seen in Point 1249 01:06:03,820 --> 01:06:00,890 Pleasant you know it may be something 1250 01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:03,830 that's somewhat related I kind of infer 1251 01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,310 that with the title of the book but you 1252 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:09,920 know that that was kind of what people 1253 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:11,690 were saying they thought it may have 1254 01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:14,090 been whenever it worried for the very 1255 01:06:20,050 --> 01:06:17,870 first sighting and and in fact the early 1256 01:06:25,570 --> 01:06:20,060 sightings did kind of even look like the 1257 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:25,580 Mothman or an owl man type being but it 1258 01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:31,490 kind of changed towards a a bat wing to 1259 01:06:44,179 --> 01:06:38,799 light flying humanoid eventually so 1260 01:06:50,759 --> 01:06:44,189 you know we had all together in in 2017 1261 01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:50,769 we had 53 sightings that I believe were 1262 01:06:53,489 --> 01:06:51,670 authentic 1263 01:06:56,370 --> 01:06:53,499 you know we had other reports and such 1264 01:06:59,999 --> 01:06:56,380 but you know we you know we had to kind 1265 01:07:01,949 --> 01:07:00,009 of go through a lot of that and you know 1266 01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:01,959 some up just weren't reported by us 1267 01:07:08,669 --> 01:07:03,880 because we just didn't believe you know 1268 01:07:11,819 --> 01:07:08,679 it would be a witnesses and but the one 1269 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:11,829 thing about it was and you know our 1270 01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:16,329 investigators all agreed that the the 1271 01:07:22,739 --> 01:07:19,569 witnesses were fairly consistent as far 1272 01:07:27,299 --> 01:07:22,749 as not embellishing on their stories 1273 01:07:31,979 --> 01:07:27,309 they which is unusual encrypted reports 1274 01:07:33,929 --> 01:07:31,989 from witnesses they would make they 1275 01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:33,939 would make a report either you know by 1276 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:38,529 email or by telephone and when you start 1277 01:07:44,279 --> 01:07:41,650 to talk to them trying to see trying to 1278 01:07:46,349 --> 01:07:44,289 get them to embellish on it seeing what 1279 01:07:50,669 --> 01:07:46,359 they act you know they just stuck to 1280 01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:50,679 their original story now is has there 1281 01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:53,849 been a kind of like a consensus of a 1282 01:08:00,120 --> 01:07:57,849 description of the same 53 sightings 1283 01:08:02,759 --> 01:08:00,130 that's that's a lot of sightings are 1284 01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:02,769 they seeing the same thing or do the 1285 01:08:08,459 --> 01:08:03,670 descriptions vary 1286 01:08:10,890 --> 01:08:08,469 ah they do vary some a little bit you 1287 01:08:13,859 --> 01:08:10,900 know from your always sightings which 1288 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:13,869 like I said before we're kind of the owl 1289 01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:17,770 man Mothman like sightings as opposed to 1290 01:08:25,740 --> 01:08:22,859 maybe 47 or 48 up the later sightings 1291 01:08:28,519 --> 01:08:25,750 which had the batwing but they'd there 1292 01:08:31,109 --> 01:08:28,529 were some type of there were some dog 1293 01:08:35,879 --> 01:08:31,119 variations some had the red eyes up 1294 01:08:40,019 --> 01:08:35,889 didn't some of the characteristics the 1295 01:08:42,450 --> 01:08:40,029 way they you know what they did or the 1296 01:08:45,539 --> 01:08:42,460 way they kind of presented themselves 1297 01:08:48,510 --> 01:08:45,549 the people were different I you know 1298 01:08:50,549 --> 01:08:48,520 after I was going through all these I 1299 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:50,559 believe there's at least there was at 1300 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:51,130 least three 1301 01:08:55,919 --> 01:08:53,650 these beings I just don't think it was 1302 01:08:59,099 --> 01:08:55,929 one I think and you know the locations 1303 01:09:02,999 --> 01:08:59,109 as well buried mean there were sightings 1304 01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,009 in a you know downtown Chicago by the in 1305 01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:05,679 also by the waterfront most sightings 1306 01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:07,900 were there but of course I reciting 1307 01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,049 south of the city into northern Indiana 1308 01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:13,600 and then there were a few western city 1309 01:09:18,419 --> 01:09:16,900 as well well I mean there were there 1310 01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:18,429 were at least a couple of sightings 1311 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:22,029 where I know there was one the woman who 1312 01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:23,440 was I guess pretty close to the 1313 01:09:28,289 --> 01:09:26,230 waterfront one of these things I mean 1314 01:09:29,579 --> 01:09:28,299 came down it was close to that that she 1315 01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:29,589 could have reached out and touched it oh 1316 01:09:35,820 --> 01:09:32,560 yeah yeah there was one sighting where 1317 01:09:37,530 --> 01:09:35,830 this couple were on you know near the 1318 01:09:41,099 --> 01:09:37,540 waterfront they were on Lakeshore Drive 1319 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:41,109 and they were walking back to their her 1320 01:09:46,019 --> 01:09:44,770 mother's condominium which was and you 1321 01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,029 know what they were in front of the 1322 01:09:50,459 --> 01:09:48,159 building and this thing came and it was 1323 01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:50,469 at nighttime and this thing flew in 1324 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:53,049 front of them and up the side of the 1325 01:09:58,379 --> 01:09:55,690 building and when it got close to the 1326 01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:58,389 top of the building it just hovered 1327 01:10:03,000 --> 01:09:59,980 there like it was looking through one of 1328 01:10:05,129 --> 01:10:03,010 the windows then it maybe about five or 1329 01:10:05,850 --> 01:10:05,139 six seconds later it kind of arched this 1330 01:10:08,610 --> 01:10:05,860 way 1331 01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:08,620 arched back and swooped down toward the 1332 01:10:15,149 --> 01:10:11,980 trees by this time the couple were 1333 01:10:16,740 --> 01:10:15,159 literally running towards the exit of 1334 01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,750 the building in this thing hovered 1335 01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:19,360 itself and descended down in front of 1336 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:23,590 them and just hovered there for about 15 1337 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:25,810 seconds you know I'm trying to think I 1338 01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:27,850 can't remember any you know like a 1339 01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:30,460 recent events in such a large 1340 01:10:36,689 --> 01:10:33,400 metropolitan area that has had you know 1341 01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:36,699 this kind of flap of of cryptid 1342 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:39,550 creatures yeah this is very unusual this 1343 01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,770 is historical as much in my opinion I 1344 01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:43,840 mean there were a lot of sightings in 1345 01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:47,080 Point Pleasant you know in a rambling 1346 01:10:52,530 --> 01:10:49,780 pleasant but as far as having something 1347 01:10:55,169 --> 01:10:52,540 like this in a in a major urban area 1348 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:55,179 well that just doesn't happen I mean he 1349 01:11:01,200 --> 01:10:56,770 very rarely even hear anything about 1350 01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:01,210 that well and I mean there were there 1351 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:04,260 were a lot of I guess I'm recorded sigh 1352 01:11:08,150 --> 01:11:06,930 even in Point Pleasant as well but we're 1353 01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,160 gonna have to hold it there because 1354 01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:10,080 we're coming up to our bottom of the 1355 01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:12,720 hour break so we return in just a few 1356 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:18,960 minutes for more are now back to 1357 01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:22,410 exploring the bizarre with two of the 1358 01:11:27,860 --> 01:11:24,450 most electrifying researchers in the 1359 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:27,870 Paranoid your hosts Timothy beckoning 1360 01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:37,060 let's give ourselves a round of applause 1361 01:11:43,490 --> 01:11:40,880 how many shows that we're well over the 1362 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:43,500 hundred and twenty-five mark something 1363 01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:47,850 like that yeah we've we keep on we keep 1364 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:52,500 on truckin and presenting exploring the 1365 01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:55,170 bizarre audience with some of the most 1366 01:12:03,050 --> 01:11:58,980 lively conversation in the world of the 1367 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:03,060 strange unusual and certainly the 1368 01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:06,090 bizarre just like this evening because 1369 01:12:12,140 --> 01:12:10,050 we've got the several very good guest on 1370 01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:12,150 fascinating guests who know the subject 1371 01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:16,380 matter right down to the most minut 1372 01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:20,040 detail in fact we have a stickler for 1373 01:12:27,380 --> 01:12:22,710 detail well stickler was with us this 1374 01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:27,390 evening and always a welcome Alan a 1375 01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,110 green field from the Georgia area you're 1376 01:12:36,530 --> 01:12:33,120 still down in Georgia right Alan I'm 1377 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:36,540 still stuck right here in Georgia yes 1378 01:12:39,980 --> 01:12:37,050 sir 1379 01:12:43,220 --> 01:12:39,990 and has the winter encased you down 1380 01:12:45,860 --> 01:12:43,230 there not yet but the forecast looks 1381 01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,870 pretty grim we had one day that we 1382 01:12:50,810 --> 01:12:48,480 actually had something that white powder 1383 01:13:02,420 --> 01:12:50,820 is substance that comes from the sky I 1384 01:13:04,250 --> 01:13:02,430 don't know what you cocaine well yeah we 1385 01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:04,260 certainly will I think we said it 1386 01:13:10,430 --> 01:13:06,840 earlier today we have been hit with a 1387 01:13:13,130 --> 01:13:10,440 real bad cold wave no snow here but 1388 01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,140 we're not far away you know from who 1389 01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:14,880 knows the winter is long yet it's only 1390 01:13:21,740 --> 01:13:17,940 started so I tried 1391 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:21,750 this winter but Alan you wrote actually 1392 01:13:26,150 --> 01:13:24,330 talked about Mothman as we were just 1393 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:26,160 before the break you wrote the 1394 01:13:32,060 --> 01:13:30,090 introduction to a book on the Mothman 1395 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:32,070 the Silver Bridge that gray Barker 1396 01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,530 authored you've been fascinated with the 1397 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:37,440 Mothman over the years is that not true 1398 01:13:46,940 --> 01:13:42,650 oh it's very true and in fact I think 1399 01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,950 that gray probably would have a great 1400 01:13:51,370 --> 01:13:48,360 Barker would probably never have 1401 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:51,380 published that book because he had such 1402 01:13:58,670 --> 01:13:54,090 negative response from certain other 1403 01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,680 deceased ufologists named Jim Mosley who 1404 01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,440 he valued if I hadn't seen the 1405 01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:03,840 manuscript and offered to edit it 1406 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:06,750 because I thought it was terrific and I 1407 01:14:12,020 --> 01:14:09,210 wrote what I thought was a good 1408 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:12,030 introduction at the time but when the 1409 01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:15,090 second edition came out know what five 1410 01:14:19,340 --> 01:14:17,550 years ago something like that it gave me 1411 01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:19,350 the opportunity to write a new 1412 01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:22,800 introduction and that really is a 1413 01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:26,670 superior take on what gray is getting at 1414 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:34,020 which was Mothman as metaphor and I do 1415 01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:37,890 think that these cases are related I 1416 01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:41,940 think that they go back historically a 1417 01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:45,750 long way just as UFOs and fairy lore and 1418 01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:50,880 ghost lore similarly go back and come 1419 01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:54,420 forward to the present day and whether 1420 01:14:59,180 --> 01:14:57,090 they are harbingers of disaster or not I 1421 01:15:01,400 --> 01:14:59,190 don't know the Chicago cases don't seem 1422 01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,410 to be I mean I would have been worried 1423 01:15:06,290 --> 01:15:03,600 if I were living in Chicago and there 1424 01:15:09,650 --> 01:15:06,300 had been that many cases because we had 1425 01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:09,660 the this the classic surrounding the 1426 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:11,940 Silver Bridge disaster which was the 1427 01:15:27,870 --> 01:15:24,560 there was a few years ago a very clear 1428 01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:27,880 case I think it appeared in 1429 01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:30,280 kill Berg's Rickon Carol Hill Berg's 1430 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:34,840 newsletter at the time just before the 1431 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:38,530 was at the interstate 35 bridge collapse 1432 01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:43,650 and it was two people who it's who saw a 1433 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:47,470 bat-like or moth like huge creature fly 1434 01:15:53,370 --> 01:15:51,130 over which they first called a UFO but 1435 01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:53,380 clearly their description of it was of a 1436 01:15:58,730 --> 01:15:55,900 living creature so it was an 1437 01:16:00,960 --> 01:15:58,740 unidentified flying object but an 1438 01:16:04,410 --> 01:16:00,970 unidentified flying cryptid would be 1439 01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:04,420 more accurate I think in honor of this 1440 01:16:18,650 --> 01:16:09,490 program tonight on my daily blog I did a 1441 01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:18,660 summary today on my Facebook page about 1442 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:24,400 specifically about Mothman type 1443 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:27,010 sightings going back to thunderbird type 1444 01:16:36,180 --> 01:16:31,690 sightings among Native American lore and 1445 01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,190 a similar phenomena in Japanese lore I 1446 01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:38,560 think they are of great antiquity it's 1447 01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:42,190 the cases that surround disasters that 1448 01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:44,710 usually get the publicity or as in the 1449 01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,250 case of the Chicago cases I think it's 1450 01:16:55,470 --> 01:16:51,120 just the sheer number of the cases that 1451 01:16:57,870 --> 01:16:55,480 gets the attention but I think like UFOs 1452 01:17:00,180 --> 01:16:57,880 there are they're a constant phenomenon 1453 01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:00,190 and you can read a bunch of individual 1454 01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:04,320 cases because I searched through files 1455 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:08,560 extensively to do this long two-part my 1456 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:11,290 readers complain about peace so if you 1457 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:12,850 care to go to the TL and Greenfield 1458 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:17,170 Facebook page you which is a 1459 01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:21,010 non-commercial site you may see a great 1460 01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:23,950 many of these cases going back to great 1461 01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:26,820 antiquity and coming right up to the 1462 01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:30,280 cases in Chicago a couple of years ago 1463 01:17:37,490 --> 01:17:33,820 well after I get after the show ends I 1464 01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:37,500 plan to it to do that and I hope that 1465 01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,900 majority of our listeners will do the 1466 01:17:44,580 --> 01:17:41,920 same 1467 01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:44,590 what is it listed on now is Facebook TL 1468 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:45,520 and Greenfield 1469 01:17:52,290 --> 01:17:49,210 now it's Allen Greenfield author my 1470 01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:52,300 original page mysteriously disappeared 1471 01:17:58,050 --> 01:17:54,610 because Facebook was going through that 1472 01:17:59,780 --> 01:17:58,060 purge after they got accused of being 1473 01:18:04,020 --> 01:17:59,790 involved with Russia or some other 1474 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:04,030 McCarthy is nonsense so they took my 1475 01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:07,330 bigger page off and now there's one that 1476 01:18:15,390 --> 01:18:11,890 just facebook.com slash Alan Greene feel 1477 01:18:18,180 --> 01:18:15,400 author one word whatever that means 1478 01:18:23,190 --> 01:18:18,190 but that's that's where I'm working now 1479 01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:23,200 and welcomed with with followers and 1480 01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:25,750 subscribers we have about five house and 1481 01:18:32,010 --> 01:18:27,910 so we're back up there you've almost 1482 01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:32,020 reached the limit now I that's juggling 1483 01:18:37,940 --> 01:18:34,390 and followers don't count they count 1484 01:18:41,490 --> 01:18:37,950 some but they don't count to to the 1485 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:41,500 people who run Facebook from Saint 1486 01:18:53,730 --> 01:18:51,130 Petersburg Russia whoops okay now 1487 01:18:55,890 --> 01:18:53,740 they're gonna set us all down yeah well 1488 01:18:58,290 --> 01:18:55,900 I was shut down recently and I don't 1489 01:19:01,710 --> 01:18:58,300 know exactly why they they never told me 1490 01:19:06,140 --> 01:19:01,720 but I'm back up and running something 1491 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:06,150 about the fact that I had pasted I guess 1492 01:19:11,790 --> 01:19:08,920 details about some title or book or 1493 01:19:15,090 --> 01:19:11,800 event or show or something on too many 1494 01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:15,100 of my Facebook groups but what are they 1495 01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:15,760 there for 1496 01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:18,250 I mean if not to share the information 1497 01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:21,100 it seems like other people do that but I 1498 01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:23,970 guess I just got caught with my alien 1499 01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,000 underwear down but you know what I want 1500 01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:30,400 to ask you I I got an email from you 1501 01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:31,110 today 1502 01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:34,840 you mentioned that you I had sent you a 1503 01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:40,270 copy of course of my book on the matrix 1504 01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:43,090 control system of philip k dick and the 1505 01:19:48,540 --> 01:19:45,880 paranormal synchronicities of tim 1506 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:48,550 Beckley that would be me and that since 1507 01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:50,290 reading the book you have had an 1508 01:19:55,109 --> 01:19:54,190 increased number of synchronicities give 1509 01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:55,119 me a hint on what 1510 01:20:00,089 --> 01:19:57,730 going on okay let me give you a little 1511 01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:00,099 background first if we have five minutes 1512 01:20:04,410 --> 01:20:02,440 to do this because yes you bet think 1513 01:20:08,669 --> 01:20:04,420 you're talking about my book you can 1514 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:08,679 take one well first of all this is a 1515 01:20:14,910 --> 01:20:12,330 really excellent book and my saying that 1516 01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,920 may be more significant than a lot of 1517 01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:17,440 people because I have literally read 1518 01:20:25,530 --> 01:20:24,340 everything philip k dick wrote + and was 1519 01:20:28,169 --> 01:20:25,540 very impressed that you got an 1520 01:20:31,470 --> 01:20:28,179 introduction by the way from Tesla dick 1521 01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:31,480 although I think she may have her own 1522 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:35,020 take on what Phil was like during a 1523 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:37,000 certain phase in his life not 1524 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:39,130 necessarily all of them but anyway I've 1525 01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:42,130 read most of the biographies on him and 1526 01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:47,409 even a goodly number of the the notes 1527 01:20:53,970 --> 01:20:49,780 that he make wrestling with his mystical 1528 01:20:58,410 --> 01:20:53,980 experience so I mean I've read thousands 1529 01:21:01,740 --> 01:20:58,420 of them so when I say that you've really 1530 01:21:06,419 --> 01:21:01,750 put together a really good book focusing 1531 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:06,429 on the synchronicity thing it's anybody 1532 01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:09,250 who thinks Volokh a dick was a person of 1533 01:21:14,430 --> 01:21:12,159 importance ought to read the book and if 1534 01:21:17,070 --> 01:21:14,440 you don't then you should read a couple 1535 01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:17,080 of his books and then read gems book 1536 01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:19,510 because give the title ten because I 1537 01:21:25,379 --> 01:21:22,110 don't have a copy in front ok it's the 1538 01:21:28,620 --> 01:21:25,389 matrix control system of philip k dick 1539 01:21:30,660 --> 01:21:28,630 and the paranormal synchronicities of 1540 01:21:34,169 --> 01:21:30,670 Timothy green Beth Lee if you go to 1541 01:21:36,959 --> 01:21:34,179 Amazon just type in the matrix control 1542 01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:36,969 system philip k dick yes you'll find it 1543 01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,270 and a nicely produced book as well ok 1544 01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:43,360 out synchronicities I have always had 1545 01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:47,320 some synchronicities in my life I read 1546 01:21:51,180 --> 01:21:49,510 the ones that you experienced and most 1547 01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:51,190 of mine are a little more dramatic than 1548 01:21:57,689 --> 01:21:53,020 that I'll give you one classical example 1549 01:22:04,350 --> 01:21:57,699 I had a long long since gone but I had 1550 01:22:08,430 --> 01:22:04,360 an LP of Alan Shepards first sub orbital 1551 01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,440 flight on a rocket which was roughly 1552 01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:10,480 1961 they were in a hurry to do 1553 01:22:16,979 --> 01:22:12,250 something because the Russians had 1554 01:22:18,750 --> 01:22:16,989 already put two people in orbit so they 1555 01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:18,760 were not yet prepared to do an orbital 1556 01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:21,670 flight anyway that was a record put out 1557 01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:24,670 of that experience but it's obscure you 1558 01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:26,920 might not unless you're a big space 1559 01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:30,070 space buff of many years vintage you 1560 01:22:35,070 --> 01:22:33,489 might not even know who Alan Shepard was 1561 01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:35,080 although he eventually walked on the 1562 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:37,210 moon and what the significance of that 1563 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:39,250 was the big one that's remembered of 1564 01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:41,250 course and rightly so is John Glenn's 1565 01:22:47,850 --> 01:22:46,030 orbital flight year or so later I'm not 1566 01:22:51,780 --> 01:22:47,860 even sure if it was that long but in any 1567 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:51,790 case so years later maybe 20 years later 1568 01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:55,930 I decided to take out that record and 1569 01:23:00,090 --> 01:22:58,210 play it and I always have the TV on it's 1570 01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:00,100 all right now in fact I mean it's just 1571 01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:02,140 always the sound is off but it's on I 1572 01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:07,500 just keep it as sort of like a moving 1573 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:12,930 panorama to liven up my dull existence 1574 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:18,850 but in any case I put the record on of 1575 01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:23,530 this obscure early event in the history 1576 01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:29,440 of the space program and totally 1577 01:23:38,670 --> 01:23:34,260 unrelated apparently on the television a 1578 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:38,680 picture of a spaceship taking off comes 1579 01:23:45,150 --> 01:23:42,610 on and I turn on the sound and it's Alan 1580 01:23:47,150 --> 01:23:45,160 Shepards suborbital flight the same 1581 01:23:50,490 --> 01:23:47,160 thing that I'm playing the record of I 1582 01:23:53,790 --> 01:23:50,500 have a lot of experiences of that kind 1583 01:23:55,410 --> 01:23:53,800 where two things that are they that they 1584 01:23:58,050 --> 01:23:55,420 fit the literal definition of a 1585 01:24:01,260 --> 01:23:58,060 synchronicity because do things that 1586 01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:01,270 have no causal relationship coincide 1587 01:24:05,970 --> 01:24:04,420 that's a little more dramatic than a lot 1588 01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:05,980 of them at least as a personal 1589 01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:08,350 experience but of course they the 1590 01:24:15,060 --> 01:24:11,860 synchronicities are only dramatic 1591 01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:15,070 usually in the case of someone dying in 1592 01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,900 the clock stopping it at a remote 1593 01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:19,120 location at the same time which is not 1594 01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:22,060 as uncommon as you might think 1595 01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:25,480 way so so I have these and that there's 1596 01:24:28,620 --> 01:24:26,560 frequent enough 1597 01:24:32,340 --> 01:24:28,630 I don't even write them down I don't 1598 01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:32,350 take a special because that they happen 1599 01:24:36,150 --> 01:24:34,630 fairly frequently okay so I got your 1600 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:36,160 book I didn't expect to get that I 1601 01:24:40,980 --> 01:24:37,810 expected to get the one that you 1602 01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:40,990 published on the teen ufology movement 1603 01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:43,060 of long ago of which you and I were 1604 01:24:48,510 --> 01:24:46,480 apart but since you said that I guess it 1605 01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:48,520 was because you know of my interest in 1606 01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,560 infill kaduk and his works when I 1607 01:24:57,570 --> 01:24:55,600 started out no I actually I didn't know 1608 01:25:00,570 --> 01:24:57,580 and I had no idea about that I just 1609 01:25:03,690 --> 01:25:00,580 wanted to you always share your books 1610 01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:03,700 and information with me and so I thought 1611 01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,520 you might enjoy it and I do think that I 1612 01:25:10,770 --> 01:25:09,040 did a good job of putting it together it 1613 01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:10,780 would be the best book that I probably 1614 01:25:16,170 --> 01:25:13,840 have done since maybe the UFO silencers 1615 01:25:19,980 --> 01:25:16,180 as far as I'm concerned and one of the 1616 01:25:22,610 --> 01:25:19,990 ones that has some relevance to it I 1617 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:22,620 mean I do think that there is something 1618 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:26,530 to synchronicities more than you know 1619 01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:28,330 I think it ties in the whole UFO 1620 01:25:32,660 --> 01:25:30,790 phenomena and the paranormal there's a 1621 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:32,670 lot to be said for it and it's been 1622 01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:38,050 grossly misunderstood and also ignored 1623 01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:39,360 anyway go ahead 1624 01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:42,250 no I'm stupefied because you're actually 1625 01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,210 doing a synchronicity right now that you 1626 01:25:51,180 --> 01:25:49,120 if you did not at some point in the back 1627 01:25:52,650 --> 01:25:51,190 of your mind see somewhere that I'd 1628 01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:52,660 written something because I do write 1629 01:25:58,380 --> 01:25:56,110 about philip k dick fairly frequently of 1630 01:26:01,140 --> 01:25:58,390 all the books that you put out and you 1631 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:01,150 do put on a lot for I think more than 1632 01:26:05,790 --> 01:26:03,370 anybody else I can think of that is true 1633 01:26:07,530 --> 01:26:05,800 chose to send me that one along with 1634 01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:07,540 something that it was directly relevant 1635 01:26:12,180 --> 01:26:10,450 to me and you sent me something that was 1636 01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:12,190 directly relevant to me that you didn't 1637 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:14,230 know was directly relevant now me if I 1638 01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:16,030 had known it was directly relevant to 1639 01:26:22,190 --> 01:26:18,070 you I would have asked you to contribute 1640 01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:22,200 something to the book okay so not only 1641 01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:25,480 itself a synchronicity in that of the 1642 01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:28,000 books that you picked at random that 1643 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:31,030 came out at the same general time as as 1644 01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:34,810 the book on the teen ufologists Eve me 1645 01:26:42,670 --> 01:26:40,660 you didn't send me whatever came out a 1646 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:42,680 month before that or two months after 1647 01:26:48,190 --> 01:26:45,290 that so you sent me that and that's like 1648 01:26:50,980 --> 01:26:48,200 he's my favorite author of all time you 1649 01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,990 know at least in the science fiction 1650 01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:53,120 quote unquote genre although he does 1651 01:27:02,260 --> 01:26:58,960 transcend that and what you just said 1652 01:27:04,930 --> 01:27:02,270 about why you decided to publish that 1653 01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:04,940 which is a little outside of the areas 1654 01:27:12,580 --> 01:27:08,030 you usually publish in it's precisely 1655 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:12,590 almost word-for-word what I've been 1656 01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:15,770 saying for years about why philip k dick 1657 01:27:22,180 --> 01:27:18,650 is relevant to the areas of concern that 1658 01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:22,190 my readers have which would be you know 1659 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:25,730 strange phenomena unusual events and the 1660 01:27:35,950 --> 01:27:31,610 occult and so forth I think that Phil 1661 01:27:37,870 --> 01:27:35,960 dick pretty well pulled those things 1662 01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:37,880 together which is pretty much what you 1663 01:27:42,670 --> 01:27:40,730 just said and I mean that could could 1664 01:27:44,860 --> 01:27:42,680 you could be quoting me but I apparently 1665 01:27:46,990 --> 01:27:44,870 you haven't read any of that so yet 1666 01:27:51,010 --> 01:27:47,000 another one anyway as I started to read 1667 01:27:52,750 --> 01:27:51,020 the book all of these were small they 1668 01:27:54,910 --> 01:27:52,760 were little things and I didn't write 1669 01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:54,920 them down but for example I would I 1670 01:28:04,560 --> 01:27:58,010 would read a page of the book that said 1671 01:28:07,420 --> 01:28:04,570 something about telephone calls and I 1672 01:28:10,330 --> 01:28:07,430 usually read a book a few pages at a 1673 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:10,340 time so I'd see the words telephone 1674 01:28:19,450 --> 01:28:12,890 calls and I dog-ear the page for me 1675 01:28:21,310 --> 01:28:19,460 that's the way way that I and look over 1676 01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:21,320 at the TV and it would be having a 1677 01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:24,050 commercial about telephones well they 1678 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:25,490 come on fairly frequently I wouldn't 1679 01:28:30,130 --> 01:28:27,050 think too much about that one but 1680 01:28:33,490 --> 01:28:30,140 nevertheless it is a coinciding that 1681 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:33,500 taxes a lot add to that that during the 1682 01:28:39,010 --> 01:28:36,770 course I didn't note them down but I did 1683 01:28:41,230 --> 01:28:39,020 make that you know those little marks 1684 01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:41,240 one two three four and then I across 1685 01:28:47,530 --> 01:28:44,480 mark five how many times I had that 1686 01:28:49,630 --> 01:28:47,540 happen and I even mentioned it on my on 1687 01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:49,640 my Facebook page 1688 01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:53,510 that this was occurring it was a hundred 1689 01:29:00,300 --> 01:28:58,130 and forty-six synchronicities Wow 146 1690 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:00,310 during the course of reading the book 1691 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:03,650 then for two weeks following that it 1692 01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,890 continued so that it became 224 I 1693 01:29:11,530 --> 01:29:08,960 believe it is I don't have the markings 1694 01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:11,540 in front of me it looks like a prison 1695 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:12,800 sentence but actually it was just 1696 01:29:17,230 --> 01:29:14,570 marking them as I went along 1697 01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:17,240 and then they tapered off to what I 1698 01:29:23,260 --> 01:29:20,450 would call my normal yeah but that 1699 01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:23,270 nevertheless I would hope that people 1700 01:29:28,210 --> 01:29:26,090 who read the book first of all I'd hope 1701 01:29:32,140 --> 01:29:28,220 people read the book yeah they would 1702 01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,150 share any any similar experiences that 1703 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:34,880 they might have yes well I would I would 1704 01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:37,850 hope that they would too you know in the 1705 01:29:42,370 --> 01:29:40,130 old days you know I'm sitting here and 1706 01:29:46,030 --> 01:29:42,380 I've got 40 file cabinets full of 1707 01:29:48,420 --> 01:29:46,040 letters and postcards and clippings and 1708 01:29:52,180 --> 01:29:48,430 stuff the number of actual 1709 01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:52,190 correspondence from people have have 1710 01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:54,770 dwindled I don't know I guess people are 1711 01:30:01,060 --> 01:29:57,890 so consumed with other things or too 1712 01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:01,070 busy ordering from Amazon it it doesn't 1713 01:30:07,180 --> 01:30:04,510 seem to quite get the the response that 1714 01:30:10,290 --> 01:30:07,190 we got in the old days when we were 1715 01:30:13,330 --> 01:30:10,300 teenagers now because it's gone mean 1716 01:30:15,580 --> 01:30:13,340 more or less mainstream but but 1717 01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:15,590 nevertheless that doesn't make it not 1718 01:30:22,540 --> 01:30:19,540 worthwhile yeah well I I would certainly 1719 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:22,550 her example but I just just recalled if 1720 01:30:26,380 --> 01:30:23,810 I made him because I know we're running 1721 01:30:30,010 --> 01:30:26,390 short of time and I wonder is it okay 1722 01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:30,020 okay so Tessa dick who was one of like 1723 01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:35,360 like me or Phil we've had multiple wives 1724 01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:40,000 not at the same time we're not Arabs but 1725 01:30:45,820 --> 01:30:43,250 in any case we've had a number of wives 1726 01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:45,830 and I think she was his fourth if I'm 1727 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:48,560 not mistaken I wouldn't leave fifth him 1728 01:30:55,450 --> 01:30:52,610 am i right okay well yeah got me be in 1729 01:30:58,330 --> 01:30:55,460 that category it didn't live as long as 1730 01:31:01,480 --> 01:30:58,340 me so far anyway so well I guess I've 1731 01:31:03,169 --> 01:31:01,490 got him beat there but alas he more 1732 01:31:08,419 --> 01:31:03,179 valuable than I how 1733 01:31:11,299 --> 01:31:08,429 her that maybe so Tessa is a sort of odd 1734 01:31:14,899 --> 01:31:11,309 name at least where I'm concerned it's 1735 01:31:16,699 --> 01:31:14,909 like we've got a lawn to Tim's and a 1736 01:31:19,009 --> 01:31:16,709 Tina running the you know pulling the 1737 01:31:23,810 --> 01:31:19,019 string oh yes 1738 01:31:27,379 --> 01:31:23,820 so I read gee I'm really impressed Tim 1739 01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:27,389 got Tessa dick to write the sort of 1740 01:31:34,609 --> 01:31:32,729 introduction to the book and I went on 1741 01:31:37,879 --> 01:31:34,619 to something else picked up a newspaper 1742 01:31:39,949 --> 01:31:37,889 which I rarely do newspapers are just 1743 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:39,959 not part of my world anymore and the 1744 01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:41,610 first thing I come to is an article by 1745 01:31:47,330 --> 01:31:44,729 Tessa somebody I mean that's not ADA I'm 1746 01:31:50,660 --> 01:31:47,340 a name and that it's like within 30 1747 01:31:51,469 --> 01:31:50,670 seconds of having had that thought about 1748 01:31:53,719 --> 01:31:51,479 Wow 1749 01:31:57,379 --> 01:31:53,729 Tim got Tessa dick to write the intranet 1750 01:31:59,359 --> 01:31:57,389 to have you on a show with her sometime 1751 01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,369 that would be one day yeah wonderful 1752 01:32:03,410 --> 01:32:01,920 great yeah yeah she's been on the show I 1753 01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:03,420 think what's three times to him at least 1754 01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:09,840 oh yeah at least she said you know this 1755 01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:14,489 one of the great regrets of my life is I 1756 01:32:18,679 --> 01:32:17,130 met many science fiction writers over 1757 01:32:20,569 --> 01:32:18,689 the years because I was very active in 1758 01:32:26,959 --> 01:32:20,579 science fiction fandom until it got too 1759 01:32:31,989 --> 01:32:26,969 big for me to enjoy I like the intimacy 1760 01:32:34,429 --> 01:32:31,999 of the fans and professionals sort of 1761 01:32:36,109 --> 01:32:34,439 milling around together and having good 1762 01:32:38,449 --> 01:32:36,119 time together at conventions when they 1763 01:32:41,209 --> 01:32:38,459 got to be 40,000 people I said forget it 1764 01:32:44,540 --> 01:32:41,219 all so outrageously expensive but be 1765 01:32:47,179 --> 01:32:44,550 that as it may I never met Phillip Qadir 1766 01:32:49,129 --> 01:32:47,189 now he was relatively reclusive as these 1767 01:32:51,709 --> 01:32:49,139 things go except for very short periods 1768 01:32:56,209 --> 01:32:51,719 of his life but I never met him and I do 1769 01:32:58,879 --> 01:32:56,219 regret that profoundly because he 1770 01:33:01,549 --> 01:32:58,889 transcends even mainstream writers well 1771 01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:01,559 I I hate to interrupt but we are down to 1772 01:33:05,649 --> 01:33:03,900 three minutes here and lon 1773 01:33:09,469 --> 01:33:05,659 you have a new book out is that correct 1774 01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:09,479 yeah I'm right I wrote about the Chicago 1775 01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:13,199 signs it's titled Mothman dynasty 1776 01:33:17,180 --> 01:33:16,650 Chicago's winged humanoids and it sat in 1777 01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:17,190 paper 1778 01:33:22,670 --> 01:33:20,130 back in Kendall oh man and how long has 1779 01:33:26,209 --> 01:33:22,680 that been out all about two weeks now 1780 01:33:28,340 --> 01:33:26,219 well you have to send us a copy of that 1781 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:28,350 and we'll have you back on to talk about 1782 01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:31,290 the book in specifics and of course tell 1783 01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:33,440 people about your blogs in your show 1784 01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:36,960 well I I write a daily blog at phantoms 1785 01:33:44,590 --> 01:33:40,920 and monsters comm you can receive a 1786 01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:44,600 daily in your email we're at about 1787 01:33:54,260 --> 01:33:51,060 25,000 subscribers now and I have been 1788 01:34:00,290 --> 01:33:54,270 with Sean for kur and which witkowski 1789 01:34:01,970 --> 01:34:00,300 land on arcane radio but we are changing 1790 01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:01,980 some things and next coming weeks it 1791 01:34:06,650 --> 01:34:04,860 ain't say anything yet but we got a 1792 01:34:08,420 --> 01:34:06,660 brand new ship coming all right 1793 01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:08,430 wonderful wonderful it's a very 1794 01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:10,650 interesting show and you have some 1795 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:12,840 fascinating information in that 1796 01:34:19,490 --> 01:34:15,090 newsletter I know I get it every day and 1797 01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:19,500 Tina thank you for putting together all 1798 01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:21,930 that the material the the the weird 1799 01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:24,360 sounds and then we'll continue on with 1800 01:34:30,140 --> 01:34:28,020 them in a future show and Alan the blog 1801 01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:30,150 again how do people get to your material 1802 01:34:36,189 --> 01:34:33,449 and read your material you know I always 1803 01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:36,199 say just google my name and you'll find 1804 01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:38,610 400 million things I do have a new book 1805 01:34:43,340 --> 01:34:40,650 coming out though very shortly here 1806 01:34:46,910 --> 01:34:43,350 waiting on the publisher to get to it 1807 01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:46,920 but that should be soon and if they're 1808 01:34:52,939 --> 01:34:48,960 listening in I look forward to it it's 1809 01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:52,949 called it's called god never does the 1810 01:35:00,439 --> 01:34:57,060 same thing twice and it's a strange book 1811 01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:00,449 even by my standards well we have had I 1812 01:35:03,740 --> 01:35:02,610 want to wish everybody out there a happy 1813 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:03,750 new year 1814 01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:07,290 happiness your path but we need to blow 1815 01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,650 some horn there you go and we'll all 1816 01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,080 meet in Times Square Alan to watch the 1817 01:35:21,229 --> 01:35:18,239 ball come down even if it is 12 degrees 1818 01:35:22,970 --> 01:35:21,239 and the faculty know thank you Peter 1819 01:35:29,150 --> 01:35:22,980 thank you 1820 01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:29,160 our listeners and God bless and sleep 1821 01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:30,290 well tonight 1822 01:35:39,070 --> 01:35:35,690 to hearing this show you've been 1823 01:35:43,390 --> 01:35:39,080 listening to exploring the bazaar with 1824 01:35:45,220 --> 01:35:43,400 hosts Timothy Becky and T Swartz they're 1825 01:35:48,130 --> 01:35:45,230 taking back the night by jetting 1826 01:35:50,170 --> 01:35:48,140 non-stop across the cosmos in search of 1827 01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:50,180 the truly bizarre and totally 1828 01:35:56,510 --> 01:35:54,010 unexplained with you as their combined 1829 01:36:00,990 --> 01:35:56,520 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1830 01:36:04,650 --> 01:36:01,000 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 1831 01:36:07,710 --> 01:36:04,660 radio for more information on exploring 1832 01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:07,720 the bazaars and hosts Timothy Beckley 1833 01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,390 and Tim Swartz check out there k cor 1834 01:36:19,650 --> 01:36:13,600 digital radio network follow their 1835 01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:19,660 YouTube channel @m r UFO 1100 explore